| hoppdoc |
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Recoil tolerance is a personal issue.
Some people just tolerate getting bounced around more than others.
I found a site that tries to measure the intensity of the "punch" of recoil.
See-
www.accuratereloading.com/recoil.html
What is your limit?
I consider a practical limit to be when one has problems getting a second similar shot off in a timely fashion.
What would other forum members set as a practical recoil tolerance level?
| DarylS |
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When much younger, I used to revel in getting smacked and controling the big ones. hardest for me was a .505 Barnes Supreme, with 600gr. Solid at 2,800fps. That one spun me around like a weathercock. My .375H&H felt like a triple deuce after that one.
: Currently, the .458 Alaksan with 400gr. at 2,400fps is quite enough, but at 10-1/2 pounds is easier to shoot than my .375/06IMP at 8 pounds with 300's at 2,470fps.
: Nowadays I draw the line at those two.
| 500grains |
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| 05/10/06 04:34 AM |
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The 600 NE is above my recoil tolerance.
The 585 Nyati with 750 grs. at 2250 fps is at or just above my recoil tolerance.
The 505 Gibbs with 600 grains at 2250 fps is within my recoil tolerance.
The .500 NE is within my recoil tolerance.
A 6 pound Blaser R93 in 375 H&H is within my recoil tolerance.
A Mossberg 3.5 inch 12 ga. pump is above my recoil tolerance.
Any rifle with a stock having the wrong dimensions is outside of my recoil tolerance.
| 500Nitro |
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hopdoc
Stock design and fit has alot to do with it AND hunting versus range work also makes a difference.
Of the guns I have shot / owned or own.
My 505 Gibbs - no problems as it is well stocked although the 600gn Pills at full hunting load starts to get a bit heavy after 4 shots - or at least you it went off !!!
My 50O Jeffrey - a bit hard on me as the stock is not great but I have no problems shooting 6 shots in a row.
500 Nitro's - of the 5 I own or have owned
Jospeh Lang - lovely, well balanced, sweet to shoot.
A&N 1 - Stock is thin and small and it kicks because of this - in fact I broke a tooth shooting this gun
A&N 2 - Same gun as above but a completely different stock -= much more "meat" on it which is what I like. Gun is great to shoot.
WR - Short barreled, nicely stocked, lovely to shoot.
The 5th one I haven't got yet so will let you know !!!
Custom 585 Nyati - gun was well stocked and no problems to shoot.
I have shot the first 600 Jeffrey (U/L Hammer) and I felt it but got 5 out of 6 shots off in 24 seconds. I wouldn't do it continuously.
4 and 8 bores - have fired 8 bore and you can have it.
The same applies to BP guns of 500 and above - don't like the sharpness of the recoil.
Enjoy !!!
500 Nitro
| bigdog |
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| 05/10/06 09:54 AM |
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daryl,
600 grain bullets at 2800 ft/sec is some real power. Thats up there with 600 overkill levels. How much did your 505 barns rifle weigh ?
| DarylS |
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| 05/10/06 10:08 AM |
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It wasn't my rifle. It was made on a ZKK 602 action. I bought the original unfired .375 barrel for $100.00 - in 1975. The intire rifle weighed only 8.5lbs.with it's 4X Leupold scope. THAT'S why it belted me so hard. The owner fired 19 rounds of the bench. I shot it offhand - once.
: The load was 124gr. IMR 3031, 600gr. Barnes Solid - not 4831 as in the .460 WTB mag.
: I believe the .600 nitro, with good bullets is considerably more powerful than the .50. Those who've used them all, state there is a big jump from .5 to .577 and .600. FPE doesn't relate to killing power on animals that aren't suseptable to hydrostatic shock, ihmo. Yes, the .600 is over-kill.
| hoppdoc |
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Personally I can tolerate up to a 458Wm/470 NE, no problem.
My 416 Rem has teeth because of its weight and the "sharpness" of the punch.The stock design helps much though. My 500 NE is going to be an eye opener, i am sure.
I don't feel the formula on AR is entirely accurate as I feel the VELOCITY of the energy of recoil is the more important variable. Slow that down markedly and we all would be shooting bigger boomers.This can be done by more weight(obviously) or some type of recoil assistance.
The other variable is hunting adrenalin. Some shots I can't remember feeling cause the animal in my scope.
Oh, well--
| Rusty |
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A Merkel 500 3 inch is beyond my tolerance!
An 11 pound 475#2 Jeffery is tolerable.
A 9.5 404 Jeffery at 2100 is tolerable.
a 10 pound 450/400 3 inch is very tolerable.
NE450#2's 450#2 with hunting loads is tolerable, but I wouldn't want to shoot it off the bench.
As stated above, recoil is a very personal experience.
I will turn 60 in December and I'll be the first to admit that I've turned into a recoil wuss! I don't like getting beat up any more!
| DUGABOY1 |
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| 06/10/06 05:09 AM |
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My limit depends what rifle it is,and how it fits me, more than the chambering! I think that is the case with everyone. Also, the weight, and body structure, of the shooter, are as important to "FELT RECOIL" as anything else.
The problem with lists like the one the link leads to is, the only way they really say anything about recoil comparison is, if the rifles all weighed the same, and are shot by the same person, who is fitted the same way! Otherwise, they are only a guide, that doesn't tell you much.
I find, a person who is slight of build, can, most times, tolerate more recoil than a person who is heavy, all else being equal. By this I mean the lighter person is more likely the "ROLL WITH THE PUNCHES" so to speak, while the heavy guy will absorb more of the recoil, because he is harder to move by the recoil.
Then the velocity of the round being shot, developes different type of recoil than one of a different velocity in the same weight rifle. Fast, is sharp CRACK recoil, with slow, being a more PUSH recoil. This is also true because most large slow rounds are ususlly heavier rifles, than most fast rounds which tend to be lighter.
Myself as an example, when I was 145 lbs, I could tolerate a lot more recoil than now that I weigh 220 lbs. Today a 577NE double is getting close to being more than I like, even in a 13 lb rifles, while the 470NE in a 10.6 lb rifle is fine in the field, but not fun on the range working up loads. The 375 H&H 300 gr bullet at 2550 fps is a "SHOOT ALL DAY" rifle at 9.3 lbs loaded. I also find double rifles to be easier to use heavy recoiling cartridges in, than a bolt rifle with equal fitting, and most lever actions are a machine that increases the felt recoil, even in the little 30-30, because of the design of the total rifle, from butt plate to muzzle. People buy Mod 94 Win 30-30 rifle for their kids, because they think the 30-30 will have less recoil, based on the lists like the one posted here, over a good bolt rifle chambered for a 30-06. I find the bolt rifle to be a better choice for a youngster, than anything in a lever action.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, to find out what your limit is, you need to shoot the rifles so chambered, because what someone else can tolerate, has absolutely nothing to do with your limit!
| bonanza |
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| 08/10/06 03:22 AM |
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My 11.5 pound 470NE DR was the most I could tolerate in a quick 1/2 shot, or six in one sitting.
| jro45 |
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| 11/10/06 11:06 PM |
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A 458 shooting 500 gr bullets at 2300 fps is with in my Tolerance
My 416 Rem shooting 400 gr bullets at 2426 fps is with in my Tolerance
| Bonde |
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| 12/10/06 03:45 AM |
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I've shot a .458lott once ( or actually 3 shots..), and that one was above my comfortlevel.. It also gave me a grave headache..
However, my Merkel .470 handles nicely, or, it is at least tolerable
So thats my limit! I find the .416 Rigby to beat me more than the 470 because of faster recoil, so I'd pick the 470 over that one every time.I recon most men find that .458WM and .470 are pretty much the biggest guns they can handle well? That's probably one of the reasons why it was such a popular group of cartrides back in the old days- it did the work peoperly without undue recoil? I hate to say that a 505 (or 500J) would be to much recoil to handle..
I might go ahead one day and see if i can handle a 500NE, If I do, ill get one How can You shoot these 500+ and keep 100% focused on the target without flinching? I don't flinch with my 470, but every fibre in my body wants to. I have to concentrate real hard to shoot well.
It does require a lot of "want to" to actually shoot the big bores...!
| butchloc |
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| 12/10/06 06:29 AM |
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i believe the worst I've fired was a 470 double that had the habit of "doubling" on me. I'd usually catch the thing after it flew out of my hands. That was miserable, but I believe the worst correctly working rifle i've ever had was a light weight 460 weatherby. I'm not recoil sensitive, but that thing would give me a whiplash headache after 4 or 5 shots.
| blackberry9 |
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| 12/10/06 06:29 PM |
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Hallo,
my heaviest gun-cal. ist the 10,75x68. The rifleweight is 8.16 lbs. without scope. The buillet velocity is 2230ft./sec.
With the limbsaver-recoilpat the recoil is not to bad.
From the recoilvelocity it is compareable with my Weatherby Mk.V in .340 Wby.Mag. with the 200gr. Nosler Ballistic-Tip which runs arround 2980ft./sec. The feeled kick from the 10.75Mauser isnīt so strong like that from the Weatherby in cause of the slower buillet and the lower pressure.
My 9x57Mauser with 6.4lbs weight and a steel-stockpat kicks worser than the bouth upon.
The worsest recoil has my Lee-Enfield No.5Mk.I "Jungle-carbine" in .303British. Itīs real no plessure to shoot with it more than five rounds.
regards
Manolito
| BillfromOregon |
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It certainly is a personal level isn't it? I really don't know what my level is as it is all over the map depending on the gun, the load, the position fired from, hangover, mood, moon phase, etc. I have probably been punished the worst by 400-grain Speers loaded hot out of a Marlin .45-70, and by patterning 12-gauge 3-inch turkey loads from an H&R single shot. Teeth-gritting stuff. I have been been stung the most by a light .338. My collarbone has probably had its worst outing when I tried to fire a prone match with a Trapdoor Springfield .45-70 using heavy bullet BP loads. Something about that steel buttplate and a very thin summer shirt made me lose interest in the target after only about 20 rounds. I find I really don't look forward to bench testing much more than a box of .375s out of a Ruger No. 1, and the No. 1 rechambered to .450 NE was unpleasant from the bench after just a couple of five-shot strings. On the other hand, I was surprised how much fun I have had with up to 150 grains FFg and an NEI 835-conical out of a Pedersoli Kodiak .72 double percussion rifle. I think it was all that lovely mass out in the barrels.
Stock architecture is important to me, as I have a somewhat long neck and high cheekbone. Enough blathering ....
| WyoJoe |
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| 15/10/06 01:36 PM |
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Right now I shoot a .375 H&H for all of my big game hunting. I like it right well and can honestly say I don't remember the recoil when firing at game. The recoil can be a bit brutal when firing multiple rounds from the bench. I can handle the recoil from 3" 10 guage shotgun rounds pretty well but 20 to 25 rounds is about all I want in 1 session.
| gatsby |
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| 16/10/06 05:32 AM |
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I agree with a lot that has been said concerning age of the shooter, stock fit and attitude but especially weight of a gun for a given caliber effecting recoil. I have not had the opportunity to shot any .40 or above nitro guns. I can shoot a .358 Norma or .375 HH with 300gr bullets off the bench all day with a 9lb gun.
7 drams is where I draw the line to shoot off the bench with black. I don't have trouble with 8drs and a 950gr bullet in a 13lb gun and am able to reaquire the target quickly. Shooting 10 or 11 drams behind a 1250gr bullet in a 16lb gun takes a greater level of concentration and mindset and there are days I am up for it and days I am not. Like many of the other posts I never remember recoil when shooting in the field.
| bulldog563 |
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| 16/10/06 07:08 PM |
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A 10.75 pound 500 NE is within my recoil tolerance.
A 9.5 pound 458 WM is within my tolerance.
A 10.5 pound 450-400 3 1/4" DR is within my recoil tolerance.
A Marlin Guide Gun (45-70) loaded with Garretts or the like is above my recoil tolerance.
Could shoot a 9lb 375 H&H all day as long as the stock fit me.
Like has been said before... It is about stock design/fit and concentration up to a point, IMO.
500Nitro,
Would love to see any pictures you have of the Lang 500 you mentioned. Do you still own it? When was it built?
| 475Guy |
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| 17/10/06 12:51 AM |
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I can stand anything up to a 577 for about 10 rounds. Can't stand anything above the 378 in the Weatherby's, though.
| KennethI |
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| 22/10/06 12:19 PM |
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I shoot a .460 Weatherby built on a CZ 550, with no brake, pretty much each time I go to the range. It doesn't bother me until I start hitting max loads with the 600 grain bullets. I usually do 5-10 shots each range visit, no bruising and no headache.
I have also shot some really big ones like a .505 Gibbs, .577 Tyrannosaur (loaded to 750 grains at 2200 fps), and a 606 Mammoth (I think it was somewhere around 850 grains at 2100 fps). The range session with those gave me a headache and lightly bruised my shoulder. With enough practice though, the headache and bruising should disappear.
| allenday |
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| 23/10/06 11:55 PM |
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To do my best shooting, a 458 Win. Mag. loaded to its full potential represents my upper limit in terms of recoil.
AD
| Bramble |
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| 24/10/06 09:51 AM |
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Doc
You pay for the Safari and I'll shoot anything you hand me
| mehulkamdar |
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| 25/10/06 02:34 PM |
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The most powerful double rifle I have shot was a 470 Nitro that I shot once. Have shot a few 375s but they are not a big bore. I don't like recoil and have no problem admitting this - if I won the lotto, my double rifle would be a 450-400 whose recoil I can take comfortably. I'd much rather shoot a lot more with a medium bore light recoiling rifle than take a few shots with a heavy kicker.
Cheers!
| greyhoundzr1 |
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| 29/10/06 01:32 AM |
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My 470. I had (being restocked) a ill fitting 375 H&H and if that was my only rifle, would have exceeded my tolerance.
| SAFARIKID |
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| 10/11/06 03:24 PM |
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Maybe I should do a few shots of Cuervo and "set off" BOTH barrels of my 4 Bore at once! Donations please
| gatsby |
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| 10/11/06 05:14 PM |
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Is it possible to do the cuervo shots and pull the triggers at the same time?
| darkgael |
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| 13/11/06 09:55 AM |
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Hmmm. Don't really know. I have a .375 H&H Md.70 that is fun to fire. That doesn't bother me. There's also a Ruger #1 in .416 Rigby - the more that I use it, the less it bothers me on subsequent use.
On the other hand - I suppose that weight has a lot to do with it - I tried 3" Magnum slugs (12ga.) out of a 7lb. double and it was not fun. Likewise, I had a 45-70 T/C Contender that was vicious (16"bbl). The only gun that has ever socked me with the scope is aT/C Encore with an SSK barrel, shooting 750gr. Browning .50cal bullets out of 50-70 cases - only 900fps, but the recoil pulse was so fast that I could not get out of the way. Had to put on a LR scope.
Pete
| Shanster |
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| 20/01/07 06:42 PM |
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my 458 lott 500gr barnex x = 5 rounds
375h&h 270 gr barnes x = 30 rounds
450/400 400 gr woodlegh sp = 40 rounds
1 shot in rapid reload with the lott, not tucked in could knock you out.
Shan
| Savuti_One_Shot |
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| 30/01/07 09:24 AM |
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I guess the biggest thumper I've fired was a borrowed 450 Ackley in a 1917 Rem, probably 9.5 lbs with a 500gr/2250fps. It was unpleasant but not unbearable.
But it really depends what the target is. I fired 4 rounds from an 11 lb 470 at an elephant, and never felt or heard a thing!
SOS
| Bigfive |
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| 01/02/07 09:55 PM |
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I shoot 15-20rounds from a bench with my 460wby mag comfortably and after that I go to my smaller rifles.Was a 458 Brno but chambered later for the 460 case. It is not a heavy rifle.
The bigger the kick the bigger the fun!!
Must admit that I shot with 7mm and 30-06's and 300's that hurt me more.
| Yogi000 |
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| 08/02/07 09:25 AM |
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Don't enjoy my light Remington 870 pump shotgun with 3 inch Slugger Magnum slugs. Those whack like a mule kick.
I can shoot the same slugs or Brenneke 3 Inch Magnums (Black Magic's) out of 12 gauge Silvio Brignoli all day long, though.
Proves the point again... It is not neccesarily the round, the caliber, the gauge... It is the gun.
| escard |
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| 08/02/07 09:30 PM |
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I think Iīm not really a whimp on recoil, shooting .450 and .500 NE (but two shots with a .505 Gibbs told me that this kind of recoil is too much for me....
| Bill_Cooley |
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| 12/02/07 06:29 AM |
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22 short, 22 long rifle and when feeling adventures 22 mag.
Bill
| Schamankungulo |
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| 13/08/07 08:08 AM |
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577 NE @ 11.5 # was very severe
500 NE @ 12# pretty bearable
470 NE @ 11 # walk in the park
458 Lott @ 11 # all day shooter
458 Lott @ 8.7 # interesting
12 gauge 6.5 # 870 slug gun hurts
It's pretty much a matter of proper fit of the rifle and a lot of mental preparation .. Tho' some of these puppies will reduce you to a bundle of useless functionless nerves ..
FC Selous said that all those years of the 4 bores really rattled him in later years , and that , to do over again , he wouldnt have used them at all , or if he did , not as much ..
The one four I did shoot was " very interesting "
| 9.3x57 |
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| 13/08/07 08:40 AM |
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I can't comment on the big ones because I've never shot a .458, .470, etc.
For some years due to a shoulder condition I had a lot of trouble with recoil of any sort but as I've improved somewhat 30 rounds at a stint is no problem at all from my .375 and 40 or 50 rounds not too bad. Before I had the shoulder thing a day at the range meant 80 or more rounds of .375 and I never had ill effects.
Some years ago I bought a cheap $70 H&R single-shot shotgun and modified it so I could carry it while elk hunting, to shoot grouse. I put a youth stock on it and hacksawed the barrel back to just legal OAL. We named it "L'il Stubby". The gun weighed just at 4 lbs and it was amazingly accurate with rifled slugs even without sights, though after running a couple boxes thru the little bugger I came to deeply appreciate my wife's soft bosom and tender caress...
| Shackleton |
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| 13/08/07 01:27 PM |
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Never shot the "big" rifles, just typical deer/varmint rifles(common calibers easily available in stores). 3.5 inch goose and turkey loads in an 870 get punishing really fast, but as long as I don't get carried away and do the spray and pray thing I can deal with it. I wish I still had my NEF 10 gauge though-single shot with a 36 inch barrel, and was a real dream to shoot, if not to carry. Sold it years ago when I got a great offer at a show and haven't seen with a barrel above 30 inches since.
| AzGuy |
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| 13/08/07 02:34 PM |
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Quote:
22 short, 22 long rifle and when feeling adventures 22 mag.
Bill
Bill Cooley,
You are a BEAST!!!
Me: 17HMR, 22 short, a on a good day a .223
In the real world..... anything above a 375 real gets my attention, OK for 6-10 rounds but not really a lot of fun after 3-5 rounds.
| maddenwh |
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| 17/08/07 02:51 PM |
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I've got a 10 pound 470 nitro express that kicks less (from my perspective) than my 300 weatherby that weighs in at just over nine pounds. The magnums bother me more than the big slow movers. I shoot my 416 remington off the bench all day. I can usually shoot a full box of 470's (merkel double) if I wanted to spend the cash, but I hold off on that weatherby. It kicks harder than my ruger mrk2 338 win mag. I've also got a ruger #1 in a 45/70 that kicks like hell when loaded up or with some of those buffalo bore factory cartridges. It's seems that stock design (how well it fits you), weight of the rifle, and mental preparedness are the three most influential factors in felt recoil. I know little guys that can handle a lot more recoil than myself at 6'3" AND 200 LBS.
| Plains99 |
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| 17/08/07 11:35 PM |
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I'm at my limit with a .458 Win Mag and some 3.5" 12 gauge predator shotgun loads. I've developed a bad enough flinch without going any bigger. I simply don't see how some of the guys can stand shooting the 460 Weatherby... it is just horrendous.
| 5Bshooter |
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| 18/08/07 12:26 AM |
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I bought a Weatherby .460 Euromark in college with misappropriated student loan funds. I tried to 'make back' my investment $5.00 a shot, selling the opportunity to shoot the thing at a range I worked at part time. That puppy was stout with hot handloads [young and dumb, check!], and one guy who went maybe 140 #'s took two steps back and promptly blacked out. Most I shot in a row was 12 rounds off the bench, and that left me with a magnum headache for a few hours. I have a .505 Gibbs on the way, which should be fun, but that .460 just clobbered you.
| mikeh416Rigby |
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| 18/08/07 04:57 AM |
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My 375 H&H, and 375 Ackley are not uncomfortable for me to shoot. My Ruger 77 bolt action in 416 Rigby with 400 grain loads is curently my recoil tolerance. In fact, to be honest, I'm not real comfortable with it...yet...but I'll keep practiceing.
| Schamankungulo |
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| 18/08/07 07:04 AM |
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I dont think as far as felt recoil , that the 460 is as bad as the 378 ...
I know a fellow who got a detached retina from a 505 .. It was a bit light for what it was ..
Ran into a PH with a 460 cut back to 21" without a brake .. Never saw him light it off , but , it had to be a sight to see ..
| mikeh416Rigby |
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| 18/08/07 09:12 AM |
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He needs to be careful touching off that 460. He could set the whole plains and brush on fire shooting that flame thrower.
| bonanza |
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| 18/08/07 09:42 AM |
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470 NE is my tolerance.
| szihn |
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| 18/08/07 03:53 PM |
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IF the stock fits me and IF the gun is not too light I find I do pretty well up to the 505 Gibbs
I like the 416 Taylor, 404 Jeffery and 375 H&H about the best of them all, because they work REALLY WELL on game, and they don't hurt me at all to shoot. I can shoot bigger, and shoot them well, but I see no reason to.
In muzzleloaders, I LIKE the 8 bore. Bigger is too much for me.
I won't fire the 4s anymore, and I am going to make a 2 bore for a gentleman soon, but I won't even think about firing it. That's going to be his job.
| zimhunter |
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| 19/08/07 03:43 AM |
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The last rifle I bought (just last week ) is a Savage 93R17 in a pretty varigated laminated thumbhole stock. I installed a 4.5x14 Leupold Vari-X III. It's a 17HMR I'm HOPING the recoil won't be too much more than my Kimber 17Mach2. The biggest bore (does not necessarily equate to biggest recoil) rifle I have owned and hunted with (meaning I could tolerate the recoil) was a 470NE Merkel Double. I have owned 3 300Win Magnums and could not tolerate the recoil on any of them. I had 35 Whelen Model 54 Winchester that I enjoyed shooting and Heym straight pull in the same caliber I could not tolerate. Both fit me very well. I currently have 4 375H&H's and shoot them extensively (at least 3 of them) usually 20/30 rounds at a session. One is a custom Model 70 in a Dave Miller laminate. One is a custom Mauser with an integral quarter rib barrel (barrel was done by Dave Miller) in a custom stock from a Dave Miller blank. One is a Brno ZKK 602 that has been extensively customized. All three of these rifles fit me perfectly as I have made sure of that. The 4th is a stock Ruger No1 that also fits perfectly as I am pretty lucky that most standard stocks fit. The Ruger is hardy tolerable. I have often pondered this very question of recoil over the last 50 or so years I've been building rifles and thought for some time it was the recoil impulse cycle but that was easily disproved with both the 35 Whelens and the 375's. Finally dawned on me some rifles just kick more than others. I came to this conclusion because I have NEVER fired a 300Win that was NOT uncomfortable to fire. I just buy them and shoot them and if I can't take it (meaning it HURTS) I sell them. What constitutes hurt? I can't answer that question either but as the Justice said I know it when I feel it. So what is my 'recoil tolerance', I have no idea. I can probably tolerate hurt but again to what degree. I have finally decided with this thread that if it hurts I'm no longer going to tolerate it.
| hoppdoc |
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| 19/08/07 05:11 AM |
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I tolerate 300 mags but dislike 300 Wby's.I dislike 340 Wby's just as much.
I shoot but don't like the recoil of my 300 ultra-it hurts!!
I sold a 300-378 Wby that I had shot without the MB with 200gr hot loads- that sucker was an eye opener!
I like shooting my 500 NE on a limited basis-6-8 shots is fine.I shoot my 458WM without distress.My 416 seems a bit stouter than the 458-
I am guessing its not the poundage but recoil velocity that I dislike about the calibers above--The stocks seemed to fit well.
Maybe its mental-my wife would agree to that!!
| 9.3x57 |
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| 19/08/07 11:32 PM |
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I agree with Zimhunter. Each gun is an unknown till it is touched off. If it hurts, sell it or give it to a "friend".
A curious thought came to mind that if I could only tolerate 4-10 shots of a given rifle per session I would get very bored indeed with the gun as I like to shoot and don't care much for wallhangers. Having said that, I also realize that there are rifles that serve a purpose that must necessarily also include really stout recoil and thus place a severe limitation on the amount of the caliber that can be reasonably shot. How a guy develops reflexive skill with a gun that can be shot only 8 times per session I do not know, except for the proven method of dryfiring and "Swedish Drill" over a long period of time combined with shooting those 8 shots repeatedly over that long period of time, assuming a really wicked flinch doesn't become part of the instinctive shooting response.
I KNOW there are guys that do amazing thing with heavy rifles. What I am about to detail are bits about the others...
A couple PH's I have spoken and many I have read have referred to the poor shooting of many clients with Big'uns. I guess I might be able to attest to the veracity of their described scenarios from my experience this side of the Pond since I used to outfit a lot of guys going over to Africa.
It went like this:
May 1: .458 rifle purchased along with three boxes of ammo, one FMJ, two SP.
May 28: Trip to range. Ten rounds total fired with attempts to actually see the sights or crosshairs becoming quite difficult after 3 shots due to "EJS"* syndrome. Shooting takes place at 50 yards on a 25 meter .22 bullseye. Shooter says 2 shots in the black and is pretty sure the other eight shots landed within the county.
June 7: Shooter's trip back into the gunshop to discuss the upcoming hunt and comment on the metaphysical certitude of the existence of purgatory on earth with firsthand knowledge that it can be found standing behind a .458 rifle at Muddy Grove rifle range.
June 15: Second trip to rifle range: 11 more rounds fired, last two with cheek 1 inch away from the comb. Severe and unconquerable flinch accompanies each and every shot. Since target is now set up at 25 yards and consists of the front page of the Detroit Free Press opened up with a swipe of Magic Marker placed at the center fold, three shots fall on the paper, remaining shots kick up dust on neighbor's targets three positions down to left and two to the right. Rifle zero considered "On" for "close range" "Dangerous Game Stopping".
June 20: Two more boxes {one solid, one soft} ammo purchased. Very little said about upcoming hunt except that the flight is sure to be long and boring.
July 28-August 11: The Hunt. "Somewhere in Deepest Darkest Africa".
August 20: Return to gunshop. First sight of client indicates possible effects of narcotics, second glance reveals merely an exaggerated swagger caused by over-extention of chest. Dress consists of new rugger shorts, barely scuffed pair of vellies and knee-length "Free State socks". Conversation dotted with words and phrases like "backup", "chimbuzi", "musolani iko wapi", "charge", "sundowners", "bwana wa mungu", "mate", "bloke", "mtoto", "now-now" and "Those When-We's...".
I smile and ask to see the pictures. A well-framed photo of a dead buffalo is produced. A nice one. More interrogation indicates a slight hint of substantial PH involvement. This hint is reinforced by the photo where the PH can be seen squatting next to the buffalo, he obviously avoiding the touching of the scalding hot barrel of his rifle.
This was my experience at the gunshop many years ago.
*"Eyes Jammed Shut"
| 5Bshooter |
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| 20/08/07 01:06 AM |
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CLASSIC!
| Savuti_One_Shot |
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| 20/08/07 03:41 AM |
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9-3,
That's priceless! I love it.
SOS
| hoppdoc |
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| 20/08/07 04:25 AM |
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Got my custom 416 Rigby(on a reworked BRNO 602 action) from a fellow who got whacked and bit by that rifle--
I like it!!
It shoots great!!
Let a 458 Ruger #1 get away from me for $$peanuts years ago 'cause of ?recoil concerns and lack of a real need for the rifle--My mistake!!
If someone realizes his limitations on a Big Bore and wants your money- buy that gun!!!
| jro45 |
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| 11/09/07 10:29 PM |
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The most I've ever handled is with my CZ American Safari 458 Lott shooting 550gr bullets at 2210 FPS
That gave me 84 Ft LB of recoil. Everything came out OK I mean the primer hole, Extraction, and the
case were Fine. I prepared for the recoil mentally and it wasn't to bad.
| poprivit |
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| 14/10/07 09:17 AM |
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Well, I gave up on the great big stuff when I shot an elephant in 1998 in Botswana. I was using a Searcy Underlever in .577 Nitro and it doubled on me. Now I'm a little guy - almost 300 lbs - and that experience walked me back a few steps. The first shot was a head/brain shot and the bull went down like the wires were cut. The second shot may still be in the air for all I know!
Ps. I missed the brain by less than one inch. Don't ever, ever believe the old tales that a .577 in the head will stun a bull for up to 15 minutes. He stood back up in less than 20 seconds! Probably would have wandered off thinking; "Man, I gotta stop eating that Marula stuff. Must have been a hell of a party." 'Course my PH's .470 took instant care of that problem.
I'm going after Cape Buffalo in April 2008 and am going to take something much lighter.
Just purchased a Blaser S2 Double in .470 Nitro.
Lighter, right?
Remind me to tell you the story about the stink bull giraffe and my S & W 500 Magnum - great fun!
| Elephant_Man |
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| 26/10/07 12:23 PM |
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A 7.2lbs SxS shotgun with 3" slugs both barrels from a bench. That was a little above my tolerance. No bruises, it just hurt. Everything else, including 458 lott have been all right.
| Elephant_Man |
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| 26/10/07 12:34 PM |
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Hallo,
my heaviest gun-cal. ist the 10,75x68. The rifleweight is 8.16 lbs. without scope. The buillet velocity is 2230ft./sec.
With the limbsaver-recoilpat the recoil is not to bad.
From the recoilvelocity it is compareable with my Weatherby Mk.V in .340 Wby.Mag. with the 200gr. Nosler Ballistic-Tip which runs arround 2980ft./sec. The feeled kick from the 10.75Mauser isnīt so strong like that from the Weatherby in cause of the slower buillet and the lower pressure.
My 9x57Mauser with 6.4lbs weight and a steel-stockpat kicks worser than the bouth upon.
The worsest recoil has my Lee-Enfield No.5Mk.I "Jungle-carbine" in .303British. Itīs real no plessure to shoot with it more than five rounds.
regards
Manolito
I know EXACTLY what you mean when it comes to that jungle carbine in .303 British. I have the same gun made in 1914 and it is no fun. About 20 rounds with that little bastard and it feels like someone has been pounding on my shoulder with a hammer. The .375 H&H is a cup of tea compared to that Enfield carbine.
| Marrakai |
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| 26/10/07 06:18 PM |
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Well, OK.....
1914 is a little early for a JC. Try 1944.
Maybe the date-stamp on yours is a little worn....
The Lee Enfield rifles were all pigs with the dog-leg butt-stock, although the 'one-size-fits-all' concept was clearly a winner during 2 world wars.
Put a high-comb stock on them though, as Parker Hale and many others did for decades, and you change the character of the rifle completely. The .303 is pure pleasure to shoot when stocked as a classic British sporter.
| xausa |
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| 27/10/07 12:52 AM |
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On my three African hunts, my most used dangerous game rifle was my P-14 Enfield .505 SRE, a wildcat based on a shortened .460 Weatherby case, 570 grain bullet at 2150. The rifle weighs in at 8.75 pounds. You can see a picture of it (and me) as we looked about 35 years ago at http://www.frappr.com/?a=myphotos&id=3823381.
At the time, it was about the limit of what I could bear shooting at paper. Shooting at game, I never noticed it. The other rifle pictured was my Krieghoff Teck O/U double rifle with interchangeable barrels in .458 Winchester Magnum and .375 H&H. It accounted for the rest of my DG experience.
Since then, I have built a .577 VSRE based on a .577NE case, shortened and modified to rimless, with a .416 Rigby size rebated rim. It shoots a 750 grain bullet at 2050, and in a 13 pound rifle (post 64 Model 70) causes me to execute a little two step dance each time I fire it. However, the felt recoil is less than that of the .505. I don't think I would notice it shooting at game.
The most unpleasant gun I remember shooting was a Remington 760 Gamemaster pump in .30-'06, which I friend asked me to sight in for him. The stock design was atrocious.
| Elephant_Man |
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| 27/10/07 03:01 AM |
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Well, OK.....
1914 is a little early for a JC. Try 1944.
Maybe the date-stamp on yours is a little worn....
Yeah you know thats what I thought, but the stamp definitely says 1914. I can post a pic if it would make you feel better. Maybe an earlier piece ws used to make the gun at a later date?
| Marrakai |
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| 27/10/07 09:56 AM |
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I can post a pic if it would make you feel better.
Most pics of nice or interesting rifles make me feel better, EM, so go ahead by all means.
At the very least, we will then see if that fake JC of yours is built on a No.1 or a No.4 action!
Seriously though, only the No.1 action could be correctly stamped 1914. The No.4 action (or No.5 on the JC) has the action-bridge with rear peep-sight, and was developed during the 1930s. The very first appearance of any Lee Enfield bridge-action was on the No.1 Mk.IV troop trials rifle of 1926. Nothing genuinely stamped 1914 could possibly be passed off as a Jungle Carbine.
Photos please!
...perhaps with a new post in the Classic Rifles forum- we're hijacking this thread a little.
| Elephant_Man |
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| 20/11/07 05:58 PM |
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Ha you are right my man. I just took a closer look at the action on that jungle carbine and it was made in 1945. The 4 is very worn down and it took quite a big of staring to figure out that the 4 was not a 1. But yep, you were right on.