ok thats what i needed an examlpe.lucky for me our club puts a hold on funds till booked so i am not jammed.it helps when you are the fundraiser chairman and 2009fr chairman.my fiance was let down but between now and reno 09 i will get a package put together.i want to thank you all for taking your time to educate me.i guess she will be an observer maybe we can work out a deal for her to take a warthog or impala.what i was going to upgrade to i see deals for the same price numerous places.well back to the planning board.......rub the doubles down put them back in the socks and return to the safe.