Mike 416Rigby in answer to your question, well to me a pen is one of those enclosures that give the sought animal none or not much chance of survival on its own merits from the hands of a human equipped with a high power rifle.

Of course when you are talking thousands of acres/hectares it is a totally different situation and i`m sure that you will find that the certain pens i`m talking about are never that big unless they have a smaller "hunting paddock" attached.I have been told of this where a client can be driven all around several miles of country without a clue as to his own whereabouts then drive through another gate then "lo and behold" there is just the animal he is hunting....how lucky is that damn!

A pen with six foot fences holding pen bred animals that are used to feed buckets,vehicles and humans of course is the pen hunting i am against.

Hey another famous pen here was Evansville in Tasmania that had the owner buying up every bloody fallow buck he could get for "hunters" some were that quiet from being bottle reared it didnt matter, they all went into the pen and i have the idea that everbody that hunted got their quarry...its a little different outside the fence in the real world.
That famous place The Sanctuary in the US breeds some of the best bucks out and from the stories i read on "hunting " there its just a matter of waiting till the class of animal that you are paying for pops his head up...is it pen hunting?

I say lets give our game animals a little respect and not reduce them to mere targets to suit our own whims or fancies, a little respect like waiting for that leopard in the daylight and not in artificial light thus reducing this one of Africa`s noble big five to the value of a feral cat sitting on a stump.
The thrill of the chase is a huge part of it for me.....i`m a predator my eyes are in front!