John,

You got me! The truth is that the 45-70 kills bison dead in a manner of seconds and the 500 Jeffery takes 20 rounds and two weeks. I apologize for my comments, but I do not enjoy being called a liar!

I have said far too much on this stinking thread already! I have a 45-70, and as 500grains states further down this thread, it was a descent man killer back in the day, but it has morphed into something else now.

I think I will refrain from posting on these threads for a while. Particularly after reading the bio of "45s save lives".

Scott