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500grains, In reply to: Not if it is a hot loaded 45/70 shooting them thar hard cast solids! Sorry I had to put this entire discussion into perspective. Funny I cannot get my 45/70 to outpenetrate anything but my 50 Beowulf (now long gone). I haven't taken it up against the 30 Carbine, that might be a close one. Carry on. I promise I will no longer contribute to any senseless 45/70 threads. Scott |