Yeah, I guess the point that I was making is that I didn't practice enough shooting off them before I went over. It was an error I won't make again. In 3 foot high grass you are certainly limited to what you can use. I also agree that using any shooting support system is not cheating... as long as you don't get so involved in dragging out a bunch of crap and delaying a shot opportunity. I've hunted with people where, by the time they gathered up their shooting systems and lined out their scopes and got into position, I could have eaten an nice sack lunch. Have any of you had the PH let you use his shooting sticks when you were doing the preliminary sight in? Get the feel of them? That seems like it might be a viable method of testing your capabilities before the hunt. When you are lining up on something that is hardly the time to get a shooting lesson on unfamiliar shooting sticks.