Somerset East, Tollie's African Safari's for one and my first choice. Although this is waning...to much emphasis on color phases.

The Second Outfitter Lowland Hunting Safari's. This is who I hunted with last month and the one who suggested the smaller bull. We hunted his concession near Estcourt. All free ranging animals-no high fence anywhere. Seen were Kudu, Nyala, wart hogs, impala, Zebra, blesbok, some Hartebeest, steenbok, common Reedbuck and of course duiker. We also saw two Oribi. More Nyala were seen than Kudu. Saw Jackel, genet and caracal tracks. Outfitter said there are leopard in the area but are only hunted on a nusiance basis.

The Buffalo are located on a concession near Empangeni and the Hluhluwe-Umflaozi Park. I did not get into details about the buffalo concession, because I really didn't see this animal to be with in my means to hunt. The thought was on my mind the entire two weeks we were in Durban and now of course, the thought of course continues.

John, you sum up exactly what I have in mind.

"IMO a trophy bull of 36 to 38 inches with hard bosses is a representative trophy bull The 40 inch and above are getting to be good to exceptional trophies."

I would be very satisfied with such an animal. Such a bull would a record book animal in my house! The only record book that matters. Might be the biggest in town but who cares-I think I know a guy in town who has one.

I ask here as I have no knowledge of buffalo, and wanted to be sure I wasn't listening to a salesman's pitch and being put on to shooting immature animals.

If an under 40 Inch, mature hard bossed animal is a good representative animal then that is good with me. That is the answer I am looking for.

In fact this is what the Outfitter alluded to, There are more of these smaller animals available, but the market is focused on the bigger animals. They need to find some way to market these animals

I can now ask the next questions about high fences, domesticy, etc.

Thanks, gents.