Come on Westley you took one at 50 yards with your 470NE double and suddenly you are the man and anyone using a scope or anything other than a double is not a hunter.

A 50 yard range shot with a large double is certainly cutting down the odds. As mentioned earlier I shot buffs at 10 feet with a bolt action, only three all up in the Mauser, and I'm left handed and wear glasses. Our "guide" at the time, a pet meat shooter carried a 338 Win Mag (only head shot animals from his vehicle when going about his normal business) and he wouldn't go into the scrub after buff as my companion and I did on our own.

I don't consider myself any better than anyone else, just shot straight and had great faith in the time tested 404J.