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thanks ripp i am limiting my self a bit, with the caliber choises, but im weird in that area as well. to me the stalk is everything and if i cant get close enough, i take a mental picture and keep that as the trophy. if i get any trophys then i will have worked my ass of for them.(as soon as the 9,3 gets home with the scope on i will do a lot of shooting with it also at 200-250 yards, tankfully i can do this at home behind the barn) but i rarly take the first shot at more than 100 yards. thank you for the clarification peter |