Well, after talking with a very helpful gent at swift, i think i'mm going to first try the 150gr scirocco II as an "all arounder" and the 175 a-frame for up close and personal work on larger game. may try the 160 a-frame as an all-arounder depending on the scirocco results as well. thanks you all for your comments. this is the best hunting / shooting forum on the web!