ok thx again for your answers. I will ask my buddy if I can try out his winchester model 70 in 416 rem Mag, and if I can handle the recoil I will buy it. But at the moment I am happy with my BLR in 300 win mag, and at fist I wil only hunt deer and elk and later (sometime next year) when I have got more hunting experience I will start hunting bears. And for that purpose I will save alot of money to buy a good bear rifle.