As an addendum Gryph, to my certain knowledge, a gentleman called in there three years ago with his 20 year old son, soon to be 21, his father was ordering him a 12 bore O/U Royal (some 21 present !) When asked what engraving he would prefer the response from the son was "Who cares" !! Can you imagine. I would have shot the little bas**d with one of the shelf guns ! best, Mike p.s. I was there