Still in two minds about these ,like the fact you can have a 222 up to a 500J on the same rifle ,R8 is supposed to be improved and safer than the R93 with two safety lugs im told ,would be good to own 1 rifle that can do everything rather than the 15 guns i have which i dont get around to using .The blued models i dont think look ugly,whether its a kraut Kontraption than is going to F..k up in the bush or somewhere in the middle of nowhwere is what bothers me, and would have no qualms wrapping it round a tree if it did ,cant get past the fact it reminds me of a toy gun my younger brother had 43 years ago hmmmmm