Well an old cartridge which was used in many guns many years ago. It was told that it was the favorite cartridge of Hermann Göring. This cartridge is not easy to handle when you reload it and is by far not as powerfull as the 8x68S. Brass are expensive ammunition is extreme expensive and only few bullets are offered. When you reload it is ok. If i need a rimmed cartridge in this size i would choose the 7x65R Brenneke, the 8,5x63 R Reb or the .30 R Blaser.