which one though the german version has 1:12 twist the others 1:10 the german wont fire a 200 or greater well but thats ok the 180 barnes has dropped moose grizzly and what ever i pull the trigger on i am getting ready to shoot a 257 always wanted one and that 25 is fast.but it boils down to choice all the animals we hunt now have been killed with sharp sticks before we even had rifles so perspctive is the key phrase here.i for one stll like the 300 wby german version