Ripp - did you see the picture of Roy with that Cape Buffalo? It was on his catolog back in the 70's with him pointing at the gash wound his .257 made on the Buffalo's hip. Unfortunately, his claim to killing with hydrostatic shock didn't quite fit to the double .470 holes in the shoulder. I guess they didn't think anyone would notice. I did. I-too think, witht he proepr bullets, the .257 Weatherby or .300 mags would be just fine as would a .257 Roberts or .25/06. It all comes down to the bullet and it's placement. We carry heavier guns to sort out the odd problems that occur.

Someone who doesn't do a lot of shooting, some of which is at long range, has no buisness in shooting long range, no matter what they are shooting.

As you said, the bullet or the ctg. gets the blame - EVERY TIME and this happens way to often.