Gryphon & NitroX, Shit I've got a hangover,,,Yeah she was a tree hugger come animal libber but at the end of the night we were all singing together and downing the pale ale they brew there (Jamieson pale ale) by the gallon, don't remember the songs and I've never did get onto that property, and your right Gryphon some nice Sambar still up there and as you say one has got to put the bloody hard yakkar in to get them, but that's why I love the place you can go hard or you can go easy and still have a top time deer or no deer.. she be right...Les