G'day Gryphon, I'm in Malvern East mate, I know what you are saying about the big smoke thing, but we plan to move back to the bush when I retire in 4 yrs, up around the Jameison/Mansfield area we hope. I've heard there is a fairly good population of Sambar near Melbourne up around Mt Dis. Heard alot of stalkers get up there, I was only speaking to a bloke the other day about deer and he is always running into them near Gembrook while riding their trail bikes but the area is a no-go for hunters, anyway I'm heading back to bloody work in a few days and back in time for the gates to open yeah...Les