G'day Gryphon, You would have been right about 6 mths ago mate, we had a small cattle raising farm up in Kialla not far from Shepparton but with our grown up kids living in Melbourne and my wife by herself and trying to look after the place while I'm away working (bosun in the Merchant navy) we decided to make the big move to Melbourne, it's taken awhile to settle down and it's not too bad plenty of gun shops and the Sambar are only a couple or so hours away, and working 28 days on, with 28 days off, I've got plenty of time to plod around my favorite hunting areas...and now with plenty of Sambar venison in the freezer after taking a meat doe last trip , I'm after that big one mate and I tell you something if you remember Gryphon when I took Big John up for that trip and put that bloody nice stag up for him I never saw that stag again in the 3 or 4 trip when I went looking for him, I had visited that stag many times before and just watched him and realy never wanted to shoot it.I hope it's still around though. I'm still in contact with John and me and the misses are heading over to pommie land to stay with him and his misses in May next year and he has set up a Roe and Red Stag hunt and some pigeon shootng for us, can't bloody well wait for that. That beer will always beer waiting for ya Gryphon..Les