John if you have never tried the Hydros why the hostility towards them? If the hostility is not meant I apologize but your post comes across that way. Who gets them for free?

Me,I have used them and conventional solids. Very few conventional solids but have found the hydro does a better job on the pigs I have shot with both. Once again a limited number, so small sample size. I have also read (Not only on the net) of conventional solids veering off course- not often but it does happen- so far have not seen or heard of a Hydro doing this or a Flat metplate monometal bullet. Not saying it can not happen just I have not seen or heard of it.

I am surprised by the penetration of the Bertram bullet as Bruce Bertram told me his soft nose - we were talking .416 - were alright for cattle but not as hard as the Woodleighs Weldcores and recommended a better soft nose than his for heavy boned and thick skinned animals. I can say Bruce's .416 soft nose work well on Camels.