Yeah Gryphon's mate was the maker of the bullets for Woodleigh. At least when they first got started on the hydros. No idea of whether the mate is still the maker or if they are now made in house. No doubt JG will read these comments before long as well.

As I said I haven't used them. These sorts of projectiles were primarily designed for legal jurisdictions which ban the use of lead. Basically a FMJ bullet with FMJ bullet performance.

As I have written I would like to see a scientific analysis of the "bubble" ... reads like a load of bs to me. Over the years I have heard many theories claimed to be "fact" because someone saw something once ... not just shooting but in all sorts of fields. Very different from proven scientfic facts based on verifiable evidence using proper scientific methology and independent analysis.

Any good FMJ at a good velocity will have significant penetration. I do use the Woodleigh FMJ and have used them in 480 gr .450, 300 gr .375 and 9.3mm 286 gr. All have excellent penetration. And depending on the circumstance, have either zipped through OR left sizable wound channels. The latter can be dependent on muscle and bone encountered. As for penetration, one of my FMJs exited an elephants skull after travelling through the brain.

I have shot a water buffalo from behind too and seen it dropped as if poleaxed. Using a normal FMJ.

But if wanting a dependable wound channel, one doesn't go for a FMJ or a non expanding monometal bullet. Especially when far more dependable SPs of good construction are available.

Having just had one Top Ender resident member comment to me, who is experienced and hunts water buffalo a lot, that he didn't see what the hydros are good for, and much prefers the usual Woodleigh offerings, and his mate comment to him , "Don't say that on NE, ##### would be upset if you did ..." well that also says a lot ....

But people use what they want. Will post the Woodleigh claims next.