I never said I condone lying John - I hate all that stuff too. I expect honesty from all others...

You are right, some of them probably dont want to talk about it... and shooting from the chopper in most cases is just downright illegal!!!

Thats the thing with the SCI book for south pacific - they have both free range and estate categories and it does keep a lot of these bastards honest and SCI (in this case) does simply move entries to their correct categories. So if someone enters a 380SCI FRange red stag, the outfitter is XYZ Lodge, without suitable explanation, it is just going to get dropped into the estate book. I saw one just tonight ... a guy who I know quite well who has hunted with us in AUST... his 'free range red stag' is now in the estate book!!!! No he wouldnt like that but fuck him!!!

I know a lot of people dont care about the SCI books and all that but they do mean something to a lot of these guys doing these int. hunts and it is good to see SCi, at least in this case... trying to make things right! This is a record of our times..... Shame they dont have separate estate books for Africa too!!

That all helps keep the outfitters honest too...