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This is an awesome thread---really want to have a go at these one day... Curious in reading the different thoughts on the .338 WM and other cartridges...personally looking at the size of these guys have too agree..it would seem logical to use a .375 or larger if one was available... I have not had much experience with the .338 Win mag but have used the .338 Ultra-mag on several occassions on elk ...I realize they are probably 1/4 the weight --but the last elk I shot with it --using a .250 gr A-Frame--had total penetration from stem to stern with a 6" exit hole out the arse...shot into the chest at about 150 yards facing me...was quite impressed with that as well.. Still, agree, there is no substitute for the large bores...on large animals... Ripp |