Yeah Mickey, thought of that, but these Sambar are in the Vic alps, one is very lucky (or unlucky) to get a shot over 100/150 mtrs usually 50/80 mtrs is normal up there due to heavy bush cover. Sambar shot in the shoulder rarely go down straight away but usually take off some distance before dropping, so the second shot will tell the story, just got me stumped, 2 accurate shots in the same area and quick ones at that, so I maybe a "good" 30/30 but I don't think so somehow, anyway will can only ponder I guess....Les