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mtAl
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First post, drilling caliber question
      #247656 - 22/05/14 07:39 AM

Long time lurker, first time post:

I've had a few drillings in the past, one an awesome double rifle drilling, Ed Kettner back action hammer, the other a hammerless Franz Kettner "normal" drilling. Both were 16 gauge with 9x57R rifle. Yes, I deeply regret selling the double rifle drilling but it was the reality in that time of life. I took a cow elk, antelope, mule deer, white tail, pheasants, blue grouse, sharpies, etc, with it so it fulfilled its destiny. I even shot a "barn yard" bull buffalo with the double rifle drilling but that wasn't hunting, just one of Ted Turner's extra bulls on a Montana ranch, shot over the hood of a pickup.

Now with kids leaving the house it's time to re-arm with another drilling! I have a question about rifle calibers.

Is there really a functional difference between the 9.3x72R and 8x57JR (.318 NOT .323JRS) under, say, 200 yards for deer sized animals? There are way more 9.3x72R drillings out there. I'd rather have an 8x57R for Montana's longer range shots but I'd hate to let the right drilling go if there's really no big difference in performance on game. I'm a believer in shot placement vs. magnumitis. However, I've never shot a 9.3x72R or 8x57R. I hand loaded the 9x57R by necking up 8x57R brass and using 250 g rain Hawk .356 dia bullets. They lumbered out of the barrel at a pedestrian 2,150 fps-ish and absolutely clobbered everything they hit. The buffalo took a few shots but that's like shooting a dinosaur.

Any advise would be appreciated and thank you very much.

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Re: First post, drilling caliber question [Re: mtAl]
      #247660 - 22/05/14 08:40 AM

9.3x72R is like a softly loaded .35 Rem.

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Re: First post, drilling caliber question [Re: DarylS]
      #247671 - 22/05/14 11:55 AM

mtAl, first, a hearty welcome to Nitro Express!
Now, I have not owned a 9.3X72 but do have a 8X57R double and from what I have read on the 9.3, I would be inclined to look for the 8mm.
Seems like the 9.3 will run out of zoot at longer distances.
From what I have seen, the 9.3 is going to be easier to find a nice example of. In fact, there were a lot of drillings at the last show I went to for what I thought was reasonable money (compared to anything British anyway).

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Re: First post, drilling caliber question [Re: Huvius]
      #247673 - 22/05/14 12:22 PM

I would definitely go for a 9.3x74R over a 9.3x72R any day of the year! I assume you are aware of the difference between the two cartridges. If not, the 72R is basically a BP cartridge (or nitro for black). You find cheaper drillings, combinations etc in 9.3x72R because it is a less desirable chambering for modern use.

The 72 mm Rimmed round is not in the same company as the 8x57R or 9.3x74R.

A search on "9.3x72R" on NE will no doubt give you some ballistics and more comments.

Good luck in your search to re-equip your gun rack.

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mtAl
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Re: First post, drilling caliber question [Re: NitroX]
      #247731 - 23/05/14 08:34 AM

NitroX: completely agree on the X74R vs. X72R, no comparison. Just very hard to come by a X74R drilling.

Huvious: Thanks for the welcome. correct on MUCH easier finding a 9.3 vs. 8mm.

Thanks all and understood on the now better known limitations of the 9.3x72R. If I do get one, I'll live withing them vs. pushing it and wounding something!

Might just have to hold out, no rush on this.

Thanks all

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Re: First post, drilling caliber question [Re: mtAl]
      #247745 - 23/05/14 04:33 PM

"Prior to 1945 factory ammunition loaded with 3,2 gram BP (~49.4 grains) and a 14,7 gram (227 grain) lead projectile was available with a muzzle velocity of around 1450 fps.
Subsequent factory ammunition was available with 12,5 gram (193 grain) and 13 gram (200 grain) copper jacketed bullets. The former as FP the latter as SP with about 2010 fps and the 200 grain with 2250 fps all loaded with R5 powder. The 200 grain loading was supposed to be a +P as we would call it today and only for suitable rifles it was known as the “Dornheim-Patrone” (Dornheim cartridge). The intent was a usage for bigger game."

- Hubertus

(Another forum)

Will also add Norma ammo is i think the 193gr @ 2000ish fps load, and that if i could have a drilling, it would be a nitro proofed 16x16x9.3x72, rather than the x74. Why? Because i dont think the x74 is needed for most of the use a drilling would see.

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Re: First post, drilling caliber question [Re: Ash]
      #247748 - 23/05/14 05:49 PM

My drilling is a 9.3 x 72r, nitro proof, and it works just fine.I use swaged .358 bullets, 200 grs, and bring them up to .363 dia. and I've kept the shape very similar to the RWS factory shape. I must admit that I rarely take shots past 100m though. I either let the bugger go or stalk closer. Dead is dead and if you are prepared to be careful with the shot, the old '72r knocks them flat.

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mtAl
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Re: First post, drilling caliber question [Re: underlever]
      #247822 - 24/05/14 11:57 AM

Thanks Ash and Underlever. 200 gr at 2000 fps is nothing to sneeze at and appreciate the note on limitations.

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