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Boryx
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Daniel Fraser rook rifle - .360 NE 2-1/4”
      #326084 - 20/03/19 06:58 AM

Hello Nitro Express

I have recently got myself a Daniel Fraser rook rifle. I have been looking for a Daniel Fraser falling block for about three years now. Have found quite a few ones, but no one ended up here with me.

This one, is a rook model, and is therefore very small and light weight, all dimensions are small and Suits the rifle very well. Only the stock length is like on a normal size rifle.

Along with the rifle i got 60 rounds of Kynoch .360 NE 2-1/4”. I have tried the rifle with a tempory scope mounted, and it was grouping very nice.

My gunsmith is just working on scope mounts that will fit the original bases, and a Pecar 4x81 is the scope ill get put on.

I have got some brass in 9,3x72r that I will convert to suit, by shorting them to 57mm. There is 18 month waiting time on a die set, and i would hear if any of you have had success with resize in a 9,3x72r die set? Is that possible you think?

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Re: Daniel Fraser rook rifle - .360 NE 2-1/4” [Re: Boryx]
      #326088 - 20/03/19 07:39 AM

You might check ebay for a die set.
I found a CH4D die set for 360 NE on ebay and use that set, with 9.3x72 brass, to make cases. It is fairly easy.

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Re: Daniel Fraser rook rifle - .360 NE 2-1/4” [Re: Boryx]
      #326089 - 20/03/19 07:39 AM

Welcome to Nitro Express!
Your post concerns me a bit.
Your rook sized rifle is not intended to shoot .360 nitro loads unless it has been substantially modified.
Even then you may be asking too much of the action.

Would love to see some pictures.

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Re: Daniel Fraser rook rifle - .360 NE 2-1/4” [Re: Huvius]
      #326098 - 20/03/19 10:28 AM

Boryx - Welcome to NE.
Your rifle sounds amazing - but - you do not REALLY own one of those lovely single shots, unless we can see it.
I am also concerned over the ammo you are using.

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Re: Daniel Fraser rook rifle - .360 NE 2-1/4” [Re: DarylS]
      #326106 - 20/03/19 12:15 PM

Welcome to the forums!

Yes, photos would be proper.

Let's see it. We love pictures.

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Boryx
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Re: Daniel Fraser rook rifle - .360 NE 2-1/4” [Re: CptCurl]
      #326112 - 20/03/19 05:50 PM

Thank you all for the welcome..

I know Pictures would have been prober, the only ones I got right now are in a poor light taken with my mobile phone.

Ill try tonight to take a couple pictures outside in daylight and with a better camera - and after that try to upload the to the platform (witch seems to be a little difficult?)



@Huvius - I have found an old advertisement for Fraser rifles, and here its written that the Fraser rooks was made I .360 calibre, but nothing written about the cartridge size. The old Kynoch ammo I got with the rifle I just presumed was the right calibre...... but now ill put the shooting on "stand by" for a little time..

//Boryx

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Re: Daniel Fraser rook rifle - .360 NE 2-1/4” [Re: Boryx]
      #326138 - 21/03/19 01:03 AM

Here is a test of inserting a poor photo - better photos will follow tonight or tomorrow.

Edited by Boryx (21/03/19 04:09 AM)

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Re: Daniel Fraser rook rifle - .360 NE 2-1/4” [Re: Boryx]
      #326139 - 21/03/19 01:29 AM

Good photos of the proofs would help in determining if it has been reproved for nitro.
The Fraser rooks are just so dainty that it would be shocking to me if one were proofed for the 2-1/4” 360 Nitro cartridge.
If you have difficulty posting pictures, PM me and I will give you my email so I can post them for you.

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Re: Daniel Fraser rook rifle - .360 NE 2-1/4” [Re: Huvius]
      #326140 - 21/03/19 01:34 AM

I do have troubles posting pictures. I have tried to share from google photos, but it doesn't work!

Ill send you a PM to get some help.

Where will the proofs marks be sitting, I cant find any - have removed the front stock (forearm?)

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Re: Daniel Fraser rook rifle - .360 NE 2-1/4” [Re: Boryx]
      #326143 - 21/03/19 01:47 AM

Proof marks (stamps) should be right over the breech area of the barrel.
Could be under the wood but I don’t think that would be the normal location.
Should say “360 EX” or something similar.

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Re: Daniel Fraser rook rifle - .360 NE 2-1/4” [Re: Huvius]
      #326145 - 21/03/19 03:19 AM

Here is the rifle.



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Re: Daniel Fraser rook rifle - .360 NE 2-1/4” [Re: Huvius]
      #326149 - 21/03/19 03:35 AM

What a nice stalking rifle!

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Re: Daniel Fraser rook rifle - .360 NE 2-1/4” [Re: DarylS]
      #326152 - 21/03/19 03:50 AM

Whew!!!
Boy do I feel better! Using Nitro for Black cartridges!
No problem doing that although I do believe those NfB Kynochs are quite collectible.

Beautiful rifle!









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Re: Daniel Fraser rook rifle - .360 NE 2-1/4” [Re: Huvius]
      #326159 - 21/03/19 06:06 AM

Wow, what a very pretty little rifle.
Please keep us informed on your progress on how it shoots for you.

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Re: Daniel Fraser rook rifle - .360 NE 2-1/4” [Re: 450_Ackley]
      #326160 - 21/03/19 07:23 AM

Lovely old piece there Boryx!
You certainly have a real gem there mate, all that waiting you did certainly paid off!

I was thinking the same as Huvius, but with reduced Nitro for Black loads then it won't stress this old lady too much!
You might be lucky, someone here may have already done the NFB loads for this calibre.
Please keep us all informed on how you go, it's a rather interesting calibre!

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Re: Daniel Fraser rook rifle - .360 NE 2-1/4” [Re: 93x64mm]
      #326166 - 21/03/19 11:58 AM

That's gorgeous! Thanks for posting.

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Boryx
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Re: Daniel Fraser rook rifle - .360 NE 2-1/4” [Re: CptCurl]
      #326179 - 21/03/19 08:14 PM

Yes I feel pretty lucky, finding such a little nice rook model - original I was looking for a Fraser in .303, but I think that a rook fits even better for my demands. Ill be using it for stalking roebucks here in Denmark, and maybe Sweden and Germany (Germany might course me problems, because we have to hunt with lead free bullets)

Of course ill keep you updated how I get on with the rifle, how it shoots, loads develop etc.

The rifle is overall in god condition, there is no big damages to the stock (a little on the pancake cheek), scope bases or anywhere. Only thing, the buffalo horn on the end of the forearm has properly been damaged and there have been made a curve witch is not original - my plan is to get a new piece made, identical to the original the rifle was born with. It has seen a lot of use, the rust blueing on the barrel is hardly not excising, the stock is with a lot of bumps and lumps, the cheekering is almost gone - so I consider to let it go thru a restoration where the stock will be done with new oil treatment, new cheekrering and a new rust blueing.
Will this be okay to do, or is it better leave it as it is?

Im a rookie into reloading, and therefor I will properly be asking for help with develop a load for the rifle from you guys full of experience.
Will it be best to make a new thread in the reloading forum or just keep it going in this thread?

Ill do a chamber cast as the next step in the process, to find out what bullet size ill be using in it. Do you think there will be any chance that it will shoot with jacket bullets or will that course any big troubles/danger/damage to the rifle? Or do I need to get a extra hobby in the hobby, and start casting bullets in lead.

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Re: Daniel Fraser rook rifle - .360 NE 2-1/4” [Re: Boryx]
      #326183 - 21/03/19 09:49 PM

Boryx

congratulations for this splendid rifle.
To me, this is not a rook rifle. it is a proper stalking rifle, with the minimum practical cartridge for roe deer.
The British .360 2 1/4 Express has a continental relative, 9,3x57R/360 - related but not identical. I have an Austrian stalking rifle in this caliber and succeeded in reloading and a bit of hunting too:


So I have collected some information plus practical experience for reloading, will gladly share this. Please send me a PM with your e-mail if you wish.

Regarding restoration: on these first pictures the rifle looks in pretty good and original condition. I would probably leave it untouched (also would not think of having my rifle restored, probably in similar condition) but that is a personal choice.

Regards fuhrmann

Edited by fuhrmann (21/03/19 09:58 PM)

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Re: Daniel Fraser rook rifle - .360 NE 2-1/4” [Re: fuhrmann]
      #326188 - 21/03/19 10:46 PM

Fuhrmann, lovely rifle you have got there.

I have send you a PM for more information.

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Re: Daniel Fraser rook rifle - .360 NE 2-1/4” [Re: Boryx]
      #326191 - 21/03/19 11:07 PM

Hi Boryx
please see my reply per PM!

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Re: Daniel Fraser rook rifle - .360 NE 2-1/4” [Re: fuhrmann]
      #326212 - 22/03/19 07:36 AM

Fuhrmann,
If you don't mind, please share your loads. I have a Lancaster DR and a Henry in 360 and am always looking for different loads.

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Re: Daniel Fraser rook rifle - .360 NE 2-1/4” [Re: 85lc]
      #326219 - 22/03/19 01:31 PM

You have a wonderful rifle there. The Fraser single shots are the best of the best!

Is it No.1522?

I have had success regulating a 360 x 2 1/4 BPE double by using 50 grains of Olde Eynsford 2F and a 150 grain paper wrapped bullet. This load would probably shoot very nicely in this little rifle if it has the Fraser ratchet rifling - and be deadly on roebuck!

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Re: Daniel Fraser rook rifle - .360 NE 2-1/4” [Re: MikeRowe]
      #326225 - 22/03/19 04:42 PM

Quote:

You have a wonderful rifle there. The Fraser single shots are the best of the best!

Is it No.1522?

I have had success regulating a 360 x 2 1/4 BPE double by using 50 grains of Olde Eynsford 2F and a 150 grain paper wrapped bullet. This load would probably shoot very nicely in this little rifle if it has the Fraser ratchet rifling - and be deadly on roebuck!



Correct, its no. 1522 - where can you ser that on those pictures? :-)

The Powder you use are not common in Denmark, ill try to se if I can get anything like it.

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Re: Daniel Fraser rook rifle - .360 NE 2-1/4” [Re: Boryx]
      #326228 - 22/03/19 05:57 PM

Boryx

Magnificent Fraser quality....I too wonder why you describe it as a Rook Rifle???

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Re: Daniel Fraser rook rifle - .360 NE 2-1/4” [Re: paradox_]
      #326229 - 22/03/19 06:25 PM

Boryx - Swiss 1 1/2F black powder should work about the same as Old Enysford, which is marketed for or by Hodgdon in the USA. Swiss 2F might also be perfect.

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