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CDL
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BRNO ZKK 602
      #36373 - 24/08/05 12:08 AM

I know you guys have a wealth of knowledge on here and was wondering what people can tell me about the BRNO ZKK 602?

Im thinking about getting one in 375H&H and want to know about the actions and quality of the gun.

What do you have for me fella's?

Anybody know of any good write-ups?



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Re: BRNO ZKK 602 [Re: CDL]
      #36377 - 24/08/05 01:16 AM

I had the very rifle you mention, but it started ut as a .358 Norma Mag. For several years I shot the .358- hunting, and with cast bullets in competition 3-position shooting at 100 yd. With 250 Speers it was amazingly accurate, well under 1/2MOA with a 12X scope for winning turkey shoots, but at 2,900fps, they were a bit soft for Moose and Elk.
: In 1975 I rebarreled it with an original .375 M602 barrel. The sight lugs came top-dead-centre and it headspaced perfectly- an amazing feat - or plum lucky.
: This is a heavy rifle, going almost 11 lb. with scope, (11 lb. even in .358 mag) but what a beautiful shooting rifle it was. The recoil was soft and with 6 rounds in the magazine, express-type sights and a flip-up peep, all aspects came together to make tight shooting easy.
: It-too was exceptionally accurate with all .375 bullets available at that time, including exceptional accuracy with cast bullets for plinking.
: That is what I know of the ZKK602BRNO.

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Re: BRNO ZKK 602 [Re: DarylS]
      #36379 - 24/08/05 01:45 AM

CDL,

Ditto to everything previous poster said plus

Try to get a 602 and not a 550.
602's are great actions - heavy but strong and accurate - or at least all the ones
I have are.
You can slim them down abit in the wood that makes them lighter.
In Australia you see a lot that are worn on the outside but perfect bores
as they get carried alot deer hunting.
You can't go wrong buying them.
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Re: BRNO ZKK 602 [Re: CDL]
      #36393 - 24/08/05 06:39 AM

Further to what i wrote earlier- one intrepid shooter at the local (at taht time) range, re-barreled a 602 to .50 Barnes Supreme- shooting 600gr. Barnes around 2,800fps. 125gr. of 3031 was the load if I remember correctly. It was a great kicker - spun me around like a weathercock on the one and only shot I fired - offhand, thankfully. He'd built the rifle to only 8 1/2 lbs. and thought it was a wonderful "Moose" rifle - just great!
: 20 min later, I went back to shooting my .375 BRNO (his original 602 barrel) and it felt like a triple deuce match rifle, in comparrison.
: It is indeed a great action, suitable for 'growing' with future plans if desired.

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Re: BRNO ZKK 602 [Re: DarylS]
      #36405 - 24/08/05 11:31 AM

Do a search of AdamTaylor here on this site. He collects BRNO and has a few 602s.

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Re: BRNO ZKK 602 [Re: CDL]
      #36430 - 24/08/05 09:56 PM

I,m a ZKK 602 convert.
6 Rounds in the mag.
Controled round feeding
pop up peep sight in the back of the action (some models)
Long enough to seat bullets out in the longest cases.
Cheap price
good quality forged action.
I,m looking to trade my weatherby in 300 weatherby in on a ZKK 602 (to convert back into 300 weatherby as well) as the weatherbys 3 round mag capacity ,unreliable feeding ,too short mag length is turning me off.

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Re: BRNO ZKK 602 [Re: CDL]
      #36441 - 25/08/05 02:01 AM

In reply to:

I know you guys have a wealth of knowledge on here and was wondering what people can tell me about the BRNO ZKK 602?

Im thinking about getting one in 375H&H and want to know about the actions and quality of the gun.

What do you have for me fella's?

Anybody know of any good write-ups?



They are great and can offer a pretty good discount off of a new 550 if you find one priced right. I stumbled into one about 2-years ago for $500.00 US and love it. Shoots great, and the stock is quite a bit "slimmer" overall than the new 550s (a real plus for carrying and handling.)

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Re: BRNO ZKK 602 [Re: CDL]
      #36482 - 25/08/05 03:28 PM

It is a great firearm, and I've never had any problems with my 602 or other Brno's. I have a photocopy of Chapter 27 "Czech Brno Sporting Rifles" from a book whose name I can not remember. I'll have time to trace it down next week. Jon R. Sundra wrote an article called "A Pair of Aces from CZ" which was published in both The Complete Rifleman #26 and Deer & Big Game Rifles Vol. 14 #1 2005. In it he compares the 602 to the new 550. The ZKK series ran from about 1965 to 1985. If anyone knows of newer ones please let me know, the date of manufacture will be stamped on the left hand side of the firearm.

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Re: BRNO ZKK 602 [Re: AdamTayler]
      #36500 - 25/08/05 11:16 PM

AdamTayler,

My 602 was made in 1990

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Re: BRNO ZKK 602 [Re: AdamTayler]
      #36502 - 25/08/05 11:56 PM

Last fall, I picked up a new unfired 600 7X57 made in 1990 as well.
: The gun shop has 4 of them left- 3 are m6007X57's and one m601 in .308 Win. All unfired, all $495 to $500(.308 motecarlo stock) in CDN funds. Presently, that's about $400.00 US.
: Mine shoots just over 1/2" with Fed.140gr.Speer & Bell 175 Norma srn factory.

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Re: BRNO ZKK 602 [Re: DarylS]
      #36579 - 28/08/05 11:33 AM

Daryl S,

You have a PM. Thanks.

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Re: BRNO ZKK 602 [Re: DarylS]
      #36581 - 28/08/05 12:25 PM

I thought the 602 was a better rifle in most ways to the 550 series. I much prefer the 550 set trigger to the 602 trigger, however.

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Re: BRNO ZKK 602 [Re: DarylS]
      #36629 - 30/08/05 05:17 AM

PM sent... I want one of those 7.57s too!

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Re: BRNO ZKK 602 [Re: CDL]
      #36655 - 31/08/05 08:21 AM

CDL

Whatever you do, don't let a certain Brno "expert" gunsmith from Tantawongalo anywhere near it if you eventually get one. I had a lovely 1967 version in 375, sent the barrel to the states for reboring to .416 (this was before the 550 came on the market)then sent it to this jerk for the mag/feed rail mods. He completely wrecked the action and had to make a claim on his insurance. Replaced it with a 550 action - I would much rather of had the 602!!!

Cheers.

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Re: BRNO ZKK 602 [Re: DarylS]
      #36661 - 31/08/05 11:09 AM

Daryl S,

Thanks and good hunting!

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Re: BRNO ZKK 602 [Re: CDL]
      #36664 - 31/08/05 12:51 PM

CDL

In my opinion the Brno ZKK 600 series (600 standard length action, 601 short length action, 602 true magnum length action) are the finest factory produced bolt action rifles ever made. The quality is far superior to the new CZ 550's. IMHO, comparing a Brno ZKK to a CZ 550 is like trying to campare green grapes to watermellon, both are green but there is no comparison. The Brno ZKK 602 is a true magnim action and as such will handle all the long cartridges. Even Rigby has used these actions to build rifles.

After I purchased my first Brno ZKK 600 in 7x57, I sold all of my other rifles and started purchasing Brno ZKK rifles. Brno ZKK rifles are all that I own or will ever own in a bolt rifle. I am always looking for more to purchase, and if anyone knows where there is one for sale, I would appreciate hearing from you.

If you don't have a copy of "Bolt Action Rifles, Frank de Haas and Dr. Wayne van Zwoll) may I suggest you purchase one. That reference book will tell you all about Brno ZKK rifles and all other bolt action rifles made. You can also read on the internet (THE VIEW FROM THE VELD, by Chris Bekker studies the Mauser Action). You can also get information on the (375 H&H Magnum Page) of the internet. There is information about the Brno ZKK and detailed information about the inferior CZ 550.

I hope this info. will help you.

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Re: BRNO ZKK 602 [Re: MauserRifle]
      #36683 - 01/09/05 02:31 AM

I knew someone would have the title out before I could post!

Thanks to those that gave me the dates on their rifles. I remember seeing ads for the Brno ZKK series of rifles in about '95/'96 but I'm trying to find out if they were still producing rifles in those years or just selling off old stock.

As well my 602 made in '71 has the pop up aperture and cross bolt while my '85 model does not. Both are without a barrel band so have the front swivel in the forestock.

Another cool feature about these rifles is the trigger can be adjusted by a screw located in the safety locking lug recess.

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Re: BRNO ZKK 602 [Re: GG375]
      #36702 - 01/09/05 12:53 PM

GG375

Where is this wonderful gunsmith from

TANTAWONGALO ???

Where in the world is that at???? Talk about a mouth full!

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Re: BRNO ZKK 602 [Re: AdamTayler]
      #36717 - 01/09/05 11:11 PM

I purchased my (1990) ZKK-602 new in '97. A few others I looked at were also made in 1990.

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Re: BRNO ZKK 602 [Re: MauserRifle]
      #36763 - 02/09/05 06:22 PM

Mauser rifle. Count me in on the part about all your rifles being ZKK602s. Ive just come back from a hunt and had problems as usual with my Weatherby in 300WBY. Its now going cheap and i,m after another 602 to make into a 300 WBY. The ZKK602 in 458 Lott went very well as usual. My 308 will be replaced with a ZKK600 as well. As you said ,if anyone has any spare 602s (in Australia) drop me a line and if the price is right ,I will buy it off you.

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Re: BRNO ZKK 602 [Re: MauserRifle]
      #36770 - 02/09/05 10:08 PM

MauserRifle

I believe TANTAWONGALO is in Australia.

Would you mind putting your location in your profile so we can see where the people we are talking to are from?

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Re: BRNO ZKK 602 [Re: cr500]
      #36807 - 03/09/05 02:28 PM

cr500

I believe that the Brno ZKK rifles are the best factory produced rifles ever made as far as strength, accuracy, durability and price are concerned. They are not perfect in there factory form, but everything about them is of quality construction. For about $500.00 dollars US a good gunsmith can turn them into the equalivent of a high dollar custom gun. Outside of fancier wood, I have seen $10,000.00 guns that were of no better quality.

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Re: BRNO ZKK 602 [Re: mickey]
      #36808 - 03/09/05 02:32 PM

Mick

Sorry about that, I just over looked that item. I think I got everything now?

Thank You for the information on the location. I doub't I will have to worry about running into that one real soon.


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Re: BRNO ZKK 602 [Re: MauserRifle]
      #38563 - 02/10/05 10:51 AM

Gday fellas,I have a mod 602 in 300winmag,I am very keen to rebarrel it to a 416 rigby,Has any one done this and what sort of work is going to have to be done?

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Re: BRNO ZKK 602 [Re: wharf]
      #38578 - 02/10/05 04:07 PM

wharf

You say you have a Brno ZKK 602 in 300 Win. Mag, humm. I don't claim to be an expert in anything, but I have owned many, many bolt action rifles in just about evey make and several custom rifles. I only use Brno ZKK bolt rifles now and doubt that I will ever switch to another brand as I feel they are one of the best commercial rifles ever built for the money. They are not perfect in my opinion, but are as strong a foundation as one can buy. With a competent gunsmith and about $500.00 U.S. you can have a great custom rifle that will do anything a custom rifle costing $8000.00 or more will do.

I am only guessing, but I would say your rifle has already been rebarreled if it is a 602 action in 300 Win. Mag.. To my knowledge, all 300 Win Mags. were built on the 601 action. The 602 action was used for 375 H&H and larger calibers. Again, this is to my knowledge. I have never seen a 300 Win. Mag on a 602 action from the factory.

There is no reason why a compentent gunsnith couldn't convert your rifle over to a 416 Rigby. As far as what he will have to do to the rifle outside of rebarreling and sights I cannot say for sure due to the fact that I suspect the action has already been rebarreled as I mentined before. The 602 is a true magnum length action and will handle any of the magnum cartridges. Also, these actions and rifles are very well made and hell bent for stoutness. These actions are being used for farr larger calibers than the 416 Rigby, which is a low pressure cartridge anyway.

I am thinking about having one of my Brno ZKK 602 in 375 H&H rebarreled to 416 Rigby myself. IMO, the 416 Rigby is a great cartridge and the best of the 416 calibers. So go ahead and have it converted, I can see no reason why you would have any problems. Just make sure you use a compentent gunsith.



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