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John303
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Danzig Sporter Arrived
      #247492 - 17/05/14 07:54 AM

My Danzig "factory" sporter arrived yesterday. Bought it on a whim practically sight on seen - the price was right. I'm pleased except for the fact someone removed the DSTs but I suspected this prior to my purchase.

Small ring standard length action with what I believe to have LR barrel threads. Cal. 8x57 using a military stepped barrel with one solid and one flip up leaf rear sight. Germanic stock with rounded pistol grip, small schable on fore end, side panels and cheek piece.

I understand they are rather rare so it's a good cleaning and into the "shooting" collection. Hopefully eventually I'll happen upon a set of DSTs to put it right. --- John

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Re: Danzig Sporter Arrived [Re: John303]
      #247495 - 17/05/14 10:54 AM

Pictures man, pictures!!!

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John303
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Re: Danzig Sporter Arrived [Re: Iowa_303s]
      #247496 - 17/05/14 01:41 PM

Matt, I have a few pics. from the seller which I can forward by Email

to a volunteer for posting here / I can send them to you

for your viewing pleasure. --- John

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Re: Danzig Sporter Arrived [Re: John303]
      #247499 - 17/05/14 02:09 PM

here you go




















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Edited by lancaster (18/05/14 12:31 AM)

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Iowa_303s
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Re: Danzig Sporter Arrived [Re: lancaster]
      #247515 - 18/05/14 02:57 AM

Looks like a good piece for a bit of sprucing up.
Looking forward to seeing it when you're done with it and maybe reading about some of you're adventures with it.

lancaster, thanks for posting the photos.

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Re: Danzig Sporter Arrived [Re: Iowa_303s]
      #247528 - 18/05/14 11:47 PM

Thank you Lancaster for posting the pics. Matt the sprucing up has begun - I took the gun apart for cleaning etc., no rust but the bore is ---- well ugly! however I have a very good duplicate in the parts bin to replace it. Hopefully I will run across some DSTs but no panic to do so.
The stock is good with no cracks, so a refinish, a checkering touch up, fix that fore-end chip and it will be good to go. --- John

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Re: Danzig Sporter Arrived [Re: John303]
      #247529 - 19/05/14 12:40 AM

Good!

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kuduae
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Re: Danzig Sporter Arrived [Re: tinker]
      #247532 - 19/05/14 03:43 AM

These "Gewehrfabrik Danzig" sporters are rather scarce, as they were made for a short time only. When WW1 ended November 1918, the German government arsenals, among them the Königlich Preussische Gewehrfabrik Danzig, tried to convert to civilian production, to save as many jobs as possible. Just as Remington did when they introduced their M30 series rifles, made on their Enfield P14 – M17 production line, the German factories made these sporting rifles. Additionally, the Gewehrfabrik Danzig offered some simple .22lr rifles. Apparently most of these “Gewehrfabrik Danzig” sporters were exported then, as they are very rare in Germany. Alas, in 1919 very few Germans had enough money to afford a new sporting rifle. After the so-called “Versailles Peace Treaty” came into force in 1920, the Danzig arms factory was dismantled by the allied disarmament commissions, as were the other government arsenals at Erfurt, Spandau and Amberg. So these “Gewehrfabrik Danzig” marked rifles were made during 1919 and a few months of 1920 only.

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Re: Danzig Sporter Arrived [Re: kuduae]
      #247533 - 19/05/14 05:32 AM

Hello kuduae,

Do you know something about the DWM Sporting Rifles? I have one made with the M93 action and a friend have another made with the M98 action. Both in 7x57.

Thank you!

PatagonHunter

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Re: Danzig Sporter Arrived [Re: PatagonHunter]
      #247534 - 19/05/14 05:47 AM

Here is mine Danzig Pirschbüchse:












the Amberg Pirschbüchse:







also:
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....amp;Search=true




now looking for an Erfurt Pirschbüchse to have all three.......

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www.jagdwaffensammler.de

Edited by chapmen (19/05/14 05:51 AM)

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Re: Danzig Sporter Arrived [Re: chapmen]
      #247535 - 19/05/14 06:22 AM

What a PERFECT layout of the wood in the Danzig Sporter!!!

Nice rifle! Congrats!

PatagonHunter

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kuduae
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Re: Danzig Sporter Arrived [Re: PatagonHunter]
      #247536 - 19/05/14 06:39 AM

Quote:

Do you know something about the DWM Sporting Rifles? I have one made with the M93 action and a friend have another made with the M98 action. Both in 7x57.


Those DWM sporters are another story. In those innocent pre-WW1 days it was a common practice to include some sporting rifles in the military calibers into each shipment of military rifles to foreign countries, meant as gifts/bribes to the friendly decision makers. Mauser used their army type C rifles for these purposes, but DWM was without an own commercial production. So they had their "present/promotion" rifles either made up by independent Suhl or Zella-Mehlis gunmakers, apparently sometimes even using pre-shaped stocks by the DWM subsidiary Mauser. Especially famous are the 7x57 "Plesier" sporting rifles on M93 actions with long, octagonal barrels, sent to the Boers in South Africa with the shipments of Military M95 rifles. South American countries of course expected the same friendly treatment, sometimes even mentioning the number of sporters to be included in the military rifle contracts.

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Re: Danzig Sporter Arrived [Re: chapmen]
      #247537 - 19/05/14 06:43 AM

Quote:

now looking for an Erfurt Pirschbüchse to have all three.......


You have to look for a Mauser marked RwE on the receiver wall, as the Gewehrfabrik Erfurt was renamed "Reichswerke Erfurt" in early 1919.

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chapmen
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Re: Danzig Sporter Arrived [Re: kuduae]
      #247540 - 19/05/14 02:12 PM

Thats wright, the RwE's are hard to find.

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Re: Danzig Sporter Arrived [Re: chapmen]
      #247546 - 19/05/14 08:46 PM

Thank you kuduae,

Here, in Argentina, around the turn of the 19th century, this DWM sporters were sold in the gunshops. I saw only ONE exactly like mine, 200 numbers apart, in www.collectiblefirearms.com some years ago. That one had factory double triggers. Like the M98 my friend has.

PatagonHunter

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Re: Danzig Sporter Arrived [Re: PatagonHunter]
      #247547 - 19/05/14 09:49 PM

Here are the pictures of my DWM 7x57 original sporter. Bought by my Greatgrandfather. Still in use by me and one of my son...

http://rs741.pbsrc.com/albums/xx52/P57H/M93%20Stalking%20Rifle/SR931.jpg~c100
http://rs741.pbsrc.com/albums/xx52/P57H/M93%20Stalking%20Rifle/SR936.jpg~c100
http://rs741.pbsrc.com/albums/xx52/P57H/M93%20Stalking%20Rifle/SR934.jpg~c100
http://rs741.pbsrc.com/albums/xx52/P57H/M93%20Stalking%20Rifle/SR933.jpg~c100

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Re: Danzig Sporter Arrived [Re: PatagonHunter]
      #247548 - 19/05/14 09:51 PM

Oops...! will try another way to upload the pictures...Sorry

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Re: Danzig Sporter Arrived [Re: PatagonHunter]
      #247549 - 19/05/14 09:57 PM

Better... I think the original size of the pictures is this.

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx52/P57H/M93%20Stalking%20Rifle/SR931.jpg
http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx52/P57H/M93%20Stalking%20Rifle/SR935.jpg
http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx52/P57H/M93%20Stalking%20Rifle/SR936.jpg
http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx52/P57H/M93%20Stalking%20Rifle/SR934.jpg
http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx52/P57H/M93%20Stalking%20Rifle/SR933.jpg

Edited by PatagonHunter (19/05/14 10:00 PM)

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Re: Danzig Sporter Arrived [Re: PatagonHunter]
      #247550 - 19/05/14 10:04 PM

The last try...

http://s741.photobucket.com/user/P57H/media/M93%20Stalking%20Rifle/SR931.jpg.html
http://s741.photobucket.com/user/P57H/media/M93%20Stalking%20Rifle/SR935.jpg.html
http://s741.photobucket.com/user/P57H/media/M93%20Stalking%20Rifle/SR936.jpg.html
http://s741.photobucket.com/user/P57H/media/M93%20Stalking%20Rifle/SR934.jpg.html
http://s741.photobucket.com/user/P57H/media/M93%20Stalking%20Rifle/SR933.jpg.html

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Re: Danzig Sporter Arrived [Re: PatagonHunter]
      #247551 - 19/05/14 10:29 PM

If you're on a computer right click the image and go "Copy Image URL".

Then in the reply options you'll see a section called "Instant UBB Code". Top right is "Image", click that then hit paste for your image URL in this (dont double up on the HTTP though!)

It'll look like this (but without the space between [image] and http):

[image] http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx52/P57H/M93%20Stalking%20Rifle/SR931.jpg[/image]

Nice rifle, by the way!











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PatagonHunter
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Re: Danzig Sporter Arrived [Re: Ash]
      #247553 - 19/05/14 11:56 PM

Thank you very much, Ash!

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chapmen
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Re: Danzig Sporter Arrived [Re: PatagonHunter]
      #247558 - 20/05/14 02:17 AM

here are two pics of the origin double set trigger used in the danzig made sporters.




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John303
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Re: Danzig Sporter Arrived [Re: chapmen]
      #247560 - 20/05/14 05:10 AM

Chapmen; Thank you for posting the trigger pics. A kind gentleman has offered to give me a set of DSTs, When they get here we'll see how they work out.
I see the knurled bolt knob must be a standard feature. I have a request - could you provide a pic. of the butt-plate, mine is rather plain, yours has some horizontal lines on it. --- John

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Re: Danzig Sporter Arrived [Re: John303]
      #247561 - 20/05/14 06:00 AM

I will make an pic tommorow, its an simple made steel sheet.

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Re: Danzig Sporter Arrived [Re: chapmen]
      #247568 - 20/05/14 11:03 AM

A lot of information came out. We / I have been enlightened about the factory sporters out of
Danzig, Erfurt, Amberg, DWM. I however have a question - did Spandau produce any sporters in the same time period as the others? --- John

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