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9x57 Mauser
      #221181 - 09/12/12 01:46 AM

serial number 37116 and made 1910-1911
also a very nice 9x57










http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4145141

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Re: 9x57 Mauser [Re: lancaster]
      #221187 - 09/12/12 03:24 AM

It may be an optical illusion, but it appears to have the optional 700mm barrel which is unusual for a 9x57. Metal has been refinished

Edited by dons (09/12/12 03:29 AM)

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Re: 9x57 Mauser [Re: dons]
      #221190 - 09/12/12 04:13 AM

The description says 610mm, but it looks long to me also.

What about the receiver ring? Does it look to you as if it had been dovetailed for a scope mount and had the dovetail filled in, then polished and blued? Strange there would be no markings on it otherwise.

Hard to tell from the full length photo, but the bolt handle also looks as though it had been tampered with.

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Re: 9x57 Mauser [Re: xausa]
      #221192 - 09/12/12 04:30 AM

yes, its clear that a dovetail was filled there. you see also the filled hole where the SEM Schlößchen was screwed.

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Re: 9x57 Mauser [Re: lancaster]
      #222346 - 25/12/12 02:09 PM

I didn't notice before but the bridge looks to be ground smooth as well. Still love those old rifles though.

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Re: 9x57 Mauser [Re: deepwoods]
      #222363 - 26/12/12 09:18 AM

Usable rifle but well modified receiver ring, bridge (ammo clip ears ground off), and bolt handle altered for scope mounting. Seems strange to have attempted to have all this returned as close to original as best could be under the circumstances? Stock for-end appears to have been modified too by thinning down, with the checkering lost in the process?

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Re: 9x57 Mauser [Re: eagle27]
      #222366 - 26/12/12 11:52 AM

the forend shape is probably original tho refinished...paul

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Re: 9x57 Mauser [Re: pjaln]
      #222390 - 27/12/12 01:13 PM

Yes, I'd say from memory of my pre WW1 rifles that the stock looks correct but I'll have to check. Also I don't believe mine are checkered on the foreend.

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Re: 9x57 Mauser [Re: deepwoods]
      #222419 - 28/12/12 03:21 AM

The stock on this rifle matches the pre WWI Type B's that I have, especially the narrow forend and the thicker wood ahead of the pistol grip. I like the early stocks, especially the elegant forend.

Good looking rifle in spite of the alterations to the metal and bolt. Great caliber as well. It's a shame the 9x57 doesn't get more respect. I'd take it over any of its ballistic counterparts. The cartridge is pleasing to the eye and in the hand and it's plenty powerful for anything you might encounter in North America.

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Re: 9x57 Mauser [Re: mckinney]
      #222438 - 28/12/12 09:46 AM

I haven't fired the 9x57 but have a type b from between the wars with the octagon barrel-which I have not fired-but would like to
shoot and hunt with. It is not primo condition but is all original. Anyone have information on 9x57 ammunition or reloading information?

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Re: 9x57 Mauser [Re: deepwoods]
      #222445 - 28/12/12 11:18 AM

The 20 rounds of factory Kynoch ammo that I have are loaded with a 245gr. RN bullet with a LOT of lead exposed. I susepct the velocity is in the 2,150fps range.
My .356 Winchester puts of those ballistics from it's 20" bl. (250 Hornady at 2,160fps)

The 9x57 will easily do that & more from a M96 and considerably higher from a M98 action.

The only data I have is for MS rifles and the very similar 9x56mm MS These used Speer 250gr. SP's at up to 2,205fps with IMR3031 in one rifle and the other rifle tested developed only 2,088fps with the same load.

The article I have shows Stoeger listing the 9x56MS at up to 2,160fps with a 245gr., yet 2,296fps from a 22 1/2" bl'd. 9x57 Mauser.

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Re: 9x57 Mauser [Re: DarylS]
      #222541 - 30/12/12 08:00 AM

Interesting data, any recommendations on type of brass to neck up or down? People seem to look at me like I have 3 heads when I inquire about 9x57 here in the U.S.

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Re: 9x57 Mauser [Re: deepwoods]
      #222543 - 30/12/12 08:21 AM

I use new 8x57 RP brass for my 9.3x57. I suspect any of it would work. I've used 30/06 brass but unfortunately, the '06 brass needs to be outside neck turned to fit my 'tight' necked chamber.
I've had good luck with 8x57 brass and see absolutely no reason to change brass. If you wanted to, you could probably even re-stamp the 8 into a 9 with machinist stamps. Use an internal fitting rod, maybe 3/8" diameter held in a bench vice to hold the case for stamping. I don't bother, but this is what I do to prepare my brass.

I neck it up straight, then down in a FL die until they 'just' chamber with a crush fit on closing the bolt. that was, the brass fits perfectly in a chamber that is too long, as my 9.xx57 chamber proved to be.

Dies used for necking 8x57 brass straight- only one or the other- single pass - no case loss - inside lubed with Imperial or STOS



here's the brass.
1/.- 8x57 RP case- new
2/.- 8x57 RP case simply necked to hold the 9.3mm bullet
3/. 8x57 case necked straight
4/. 8x57 case necked straigth, necked to hold a 9.3mm bullet and at a height to make a crush fit perfectly fitted to my chamber. Note the height of the neck compared to #2/. That visual difference, readily apparent is a mere .019", but shows excessive headspace that would cause stretching at the web and early case failure if simply necked and fireformed using 8x57 cases without the straightening & re-necking process. I prefer my brass to last indefinitely- thus, straight first, then necked to fit.



The same process using the same necking up die for making .375/06IMp or 9.3x62 brass from .30/06 or .35 Whelen cases.



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Edited by CptCurl (07/06/13 08:40 PM)

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Re: 9x57 Mauser [Re: deepwoods]
      #222564 - 30/12/12 01:29 PM

DW, there are 3 or 4 listings for the original Kynoch 9x57 245 grain soft nose ammo on gunbroker now, some offering case lots at reasonable prices. I've bought about 500 rounds of the stuff and so far I haven't had a problem. Of course you can beat the old ballistics with handloads, but the original load packs a pretty good wallop (and I like the look of the original ammo and boxes next to the rifle!)

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Re: 9x57 Mauser [Re: mckinney]
      #222586 - 30/12/12 09:46 PM

Daryl,

Forgive my ignorance but why can't you just fireform the 8X57 brass up to 9X57 with a charge of Bullseye and semolina and then trim to length? Won't the 9X57 chamber support the 8X57 case?

I ask simply because I've always wanted a 9X57 and always thought that this was one way to produce the right brass.

Edited by Oldbrit (30/12/12 09:49 PM)

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Re: 9x57 Mauser [Re: Oldbrit]
      #222595 - 31/12/12 04:42 AM

Yes - People have been fireforming their brass just like that for eons - neck it up, usually seat a bullet over a decent load and fireform - or use a small amount of fast powder as you've suggested.

If the shoulder is .005" or .010" shorter than the chamber, the brass will tend to stretch at the web. .006 or .007, although within SAAMI and CIP standards, is still .006" or .007" of stretch at the web, stretch than doens't have to happen. If it stretches, it will continue to stretch there, grow in length and have to be trimmed fairly often.

Some people have to trim-to-length, sometimes every shot to 3 shots. If the brass does not stretch at the web to start with, it reduces the stretching later and maintains it's correct length much longer. The brass lasts longer and never separates at the web- as long as it's neck sized only, without moving the shoulder back.
I do mine the way I do, to prevent the initial stretching in the first place.

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Re: 9x57 Mauser [Re: DarylS]
      #222605 - 31/12/12 07:04 AM

Thanks Daryl - I am duly enlightened! In truth, I do take the point of what you say,

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Re: 9x57 Mauser [Re: Oldbrit]
      #222680 - 01/01/13 11:44 AM

Thanks for the information Daryl and Mckinney I started reloading last winter to pass the toughest part of the winter by because of the inreasing cost of ammunition, and bought decent RCBS equipment. I have reloaded '06, .308, .375 H&H, 300 win mag, and 300 win short mag. I don't have the 8x57 dies but can pick some up, What would be a good die to neck up the 8mm brass? Also When you mention fire forming I'm assuming firing an 8x57 cartridge in my 9x57 rifle-correct?

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Re: 9x57 Mauser [Re: deepwoods]
      #222682 - 01/01/13 12:54 PM

Yes - that is correct, re: fireforming.
I've gotten to using normal loads for fireforming. It's a pain in the ass to not have the brass fill out perfectly on the first shot.

A neck-up die could be made from a case mouth expander for a .40 cal. pistol die, or a .44 mag die as in my picture, the die on the left. I merely ground a slightly sharper taper to it's nose.

If your rifle chamber's headspace checks out at zero or out only 1 or 2 thou, simply necking them up in your 9.3x57 dies should be sufficient.

Some guys, to prevent any case stretching at the web, not only seat the fireform bullet into the throat, holding the case back against the bolt face but lubricate the case walls itself to prevent them from adhereing to the chamber walls as the pressure builds. If a sloppy case sticks at the high pressure spasm as-is normal, then the pushed forward case has no support from the bolt and the case sets back against the bolt, thus stretching the web of the case - exactly what we do not want.

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Re: 9x57 Mauser [Re: DarylS]
      #222703 - 02/01/13 01:14 AM

What about seating the bullet-any specific die?

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Re: 9x57 Mauser [Re: deepwoods]
      #222709 - 02/01/13 05:45 AM

I use Hornady dies for my 9.3x57 as that make was available and their 9.3 seating die can be used for any 9.3 case. This suitability runs in most calibres, such as a .22 Hornady seating die can be used to seat bullets in any .22 case, etc.

The micrometer adjusting seating stem is nice to have for the small calibre varmint rounds, for recording precise seating depths.

As far as that goes any die make can be used. I like Redding dies as well as Lee.

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Re: 9x57 Mauser [Re: DarylS]
      #222730 - 02/01/13 01:38 PM

Thanks for the info.

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