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Slimbo
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1910 rebarrel
#379444 - 19/09/23 05:17 AM

Hi there,

Just purchased a 1910. Complete rifle sans barrel.

Wondering how big a deal it will be to make it feed anything but 9.5x57?

Would love to do a 5.6x57 or 7x57.

I do have plentiful components for a 9.3x57….think that’s close enough to work without modification?

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Re: 1910 rebarrel [Re: Slimbo]
#379460 - 20/09/23 04:24 AM

You would likely have difficulty feeding cartridges through the magazine.

Otto Schoenauer's wonderful rotary magazine works flawlessly when fed with cartridges that are of the exact dimensions for which the magazine was machined. Cartridges outside of original specifications would likely jam.

These are proper dimensions of the 9.5X57 / .375 Nitro Express Rimless:

You won't need a barrel to find out.
Get hold of five 9.3X57 cartridges and try cycling them through the action.

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Re: 1910 rebarrel [Re: Rothhammer1]
#379470 - 20/09/23 07:25 AM

Huge difference in shoulder diameters of 9.3x57 and 9.5x57.
The 9.5x57 has an Sckley IMP shoulder diameter + .001"

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Re: 1910 rebarrel [Re: DarylS]
#379502 - 20/09/23 11:50 PM

The way to check without spending a lot o money is as follows:

Make a threaded shank out of mild steel with the correct threads and fit it for the extractor. It needs be only about 3" long. This will be your false chamber. Drill a hole clear through it about .003" over the size of the cartridge head and chamfer it.

Now load your mag with the 9.3X57 and see if it feeds. You may find you need to load the ammo and seat the bullets a bit deeper then factory specs, but many times it's possible with no ill effects. If it works with the false chamber it will work with a real barrel.

Because the shoulder of the 9.3 is smaller in diameter then that of the 9.5 I'd expect the nose of the bullet to come in lower on the chamber (remember to chamfer it) If it's way too low you may find it's harder to make modifications then it's worth. But this false chamber is something that can be made in an hour or less, so it's worth the time to try it.

If it will not feed the 9.3X57 it may be lower cost to you overall to simply have a new barrel made in the original 9.5X57 chambering. A standard .375 bore barrel as you'd use for a 375H&H works fine. Not as easy as a Mauser to rebarrel, but not overly difficult either.

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Re: 1910 rebarrel [Re: szihn]
#379517 - 21/09/23 07:23 AM

Someone around w/a 1910 in 9.5 and a few 9.3 rounds,,,,
Perhaps that kind person can load the 9.3's into the magazine and see if they do in fact feed out of the mag and into the chamber w/o the bullet getting hung up.

I've got 2 1910's but none of the 9.3x57 brass or rounds.

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Re: 1910 rebarrel [Re: 2152hq]
#379518 - 21/09/23 08:28 AM

I have both here at work and will do it tonight and let everyone know.

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Re: 1910 rebarrel [Re: 2152hq]
#379519 - 21/09/23 01:28 PM

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Someone around w/a 1910 in 9.5 and a few 9.3 rounds,,,,
Perhaps that kind person can load the 9.3's into the magazine and see if they do in fact feed out of the mag and into the chamber w/o the bullet getting hung up.

I've got 2 1910's but none of the 9.3x57 brass or rounds.

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Re: 1910 rebarrel [Re: Rothhammer1]
#379522 - 21/09/23 02:45 PM

Awesome guys thank you for the info!!

Matt you don’t happen to have any 5.6x57 or 7x57 dummies to try do you?

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Re: 1910 rebarrel [Re: Slimbo]
#379523 - 21/09/23 02:59 PM

I don't have any 7x57 dummies here but I do at home.

However it must be remembered that the 1910 action is wider than both the 1908 and the 1903 which includes a wider floor plate and wider magazine, so it probably wouldn't be the best choice for the 7x57.

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Re: 1910 rebarrel [Re: Waidmannsheil]
#379528 - 21/09/23 07:39 PM

Ok so just did the 9.3x57 test. I tried four different types of projectiles and loaded five rounds at a time and all fed perfectly and the magazine worked perfectly.

286 grain Woodleigh RNSN x5
270 grain Speer RNSN x5
232 grain Norma Oryx pointed soft point x5
232 grain Woodleigh Protected Point x5

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Re: 1910 rebarrel [Re: Waidmannsheil]
#379530 - 21/09/23 10:52 PM

Just tried some:
5.6x57: No chance! Neck and bullets too slim, bullets too short.
7x57: Only long 175 gr round nose bullets, seated out to maximum length, work in a way, but sluggish and with hangups.
9x57 (got no 9.3x57 cartridges): Ok with round nose bullets seated to magazine length.
I would go to the 9.3x57 if barrel and reamer is availble, but prefer the original 9.5x57 M-S.

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Re: 1910 rebarrel [Re: kuduae]
#379536 - 22/09/23 02:29 AM

Thanks guys!! I really appreciate it!

One more request, if any of you are still keen. I’ve heard from a friend that 308 win will feed perfectly from the 1910 without alteration. I know it’s a soulless bastard of a cartridge but it makes me curious!

Thanks again for all your help

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Re: 1910 rebarrel [Re: Slimbo]
#379542 - 22/09/23 08:33 AM

I doubt that it would feed perfectly as the 308 is quite a bit shorter. In the post war models that were made for the 243 and 308 they have a different action internally with a much longer feed ramp.

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Re: 1910 rebarrel [Re: Waidmannsheil]
#379550 - 22/09/23 03:18 PM

there was once an old 9,3x57 MS for sale in sweden but I can't say if a 9x56 or a 9,5x56 was changed for this

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Re: 1910 rebarrel [Re: lancaster]
#379552 - 22/09/23 03:42 PM

I remember reading once on the MS Collectors website that there were maybe a batch made in 9.3x57. It was one of those legends shrouded in mystery. Never seen one personally.

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Re: 1910 rebarrel [Re: Waidmannsheil]
#379562 - 23/09/23 05:08 AM

Someone has soon made bespoke caliber modification: https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/mannlicher-schoenauer_m1910_93x57_9797_c/l/6387

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Re: 1910 rebarrel [Re: Waidmannsheil]
#379564 - 23/09/23 05:50 AM

Quote:

I remember reading once on the MS Collectors website that there were maybe a batch made in 9.3x57. It was one of those legends shrouded in mystery. Never seen one personally.

Matt.

The Stoeger catalog of 1939 offered a 9.3X62 among models designated by them as 'High Velocity' but not 9.3X57:

Here are custom options as offered through Stoeger ca. 1939. No 'different chamberings' listed, but the MS collecting community is aware of 'off list' custom options being supplied by Steyr both prior to WW2 and after production resumed in 1950 (the 'NO' models and others).

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Re: 1910 rebarrel [Re: Rothhammer1]
#379565 - 23/09/23 05:58 AM

a 9,3x57 was never listed, the rifle I saw was probably changed by a talented gunsmith in sweden

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Re: 1910 rebarrel [Re: lancaster]
#379567 - 23/09/23 06:04 AM

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a 9,3x57 was never listed, the rifle I saw was probably changed by a talented gunsmith in sweden

That would seem likely.

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Re: 1910 rebarrel [Re: Rothhammer1]
#379569 - 23/09/23 07:12 AM

Just relaying what I read. Item no. 15 of the Mannlicher Schoenauer Collectors Association reads as follows:

"It is possible that either the M1924 or the NO series included the 9.3x57mm chambering. No factory Mannlicher-Schoenauer in that caliber has been formally observed. "

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