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Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE
      #233122 - 30/07/13 12:57 AM



Joh. Outschar & Sohn of Ferlach, sidelock double rifle with barrels in .375 H&H Flanged and .470 Nitro Express.

Express sights and fitted with a Zeiss dot point sight for the .470 and a 1.1-4x Zeiss Varipoint for the .375.

Beautifully cased and exceptionally engraved.










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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE [Re: NitroX]
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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE [Re: NitroX]
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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE [Re: NitroX]
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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE [Re: NitroX]
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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE [Re: NitroX]
      #233138 - 30/07/13 05:30 AM

That is what double rifles are all about!!

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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE [Re: doubleriflejack]
      #233162 - 30/07/13 03:00 PM

I'm not normally one for heavy relief engraving, but that is an amazing job!

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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE [Re: Even]
      #233192 - 30/07/13 08:13 PM

Beautiful rifle!! I've always wondered though isn't a bolted safety a bit of a hazard on a DG gun, just another thing to get in the way and think about when something is trying to crunch you?

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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE [Re: Matabele]
      #233211 - 30/07/13 11:19 PM

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Beautiful rifle!! I've always wondered though isn't a bolted safety a bit of a hazard on a DG gun, just another thing to get in the way and think about when something is trying to crunch you?



Didn't notice that when posting the photos. Yes I agree completely. Would not have it on a custom made rifle.

Is it another of those modern Austrian requirements? eg like an ability to decock a rifle?

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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE [Re: NitroX]
      #233217 - 31/07/13 12:31 AM

Bolted Safety - A standard feature on a Holland & Holland Royal / deluxe double rifle.

A secondary catch on the standard safety, often seen on big-bore double rifles, designed to prevent accidental disengagement by a careless gun bearer.

IN SHORT - iT'S THERE FOR A GOOD REASON!

Why do some people always want to re-invent the wheel, or try to fuck up a steel ball with a rubber hammer?

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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE [Re: Nordmann]
      #233219 - 31/07/13 01:18 AM

Quote:

Why do some people always want to re-invent the wheel, or try to fuck up a steel ball with a rubber hammer?



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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE [Re: NitroX]
      #233220 - 31/07/13 01:47 AM

chuckling to myself

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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE [Re: Nordmann]
      #233224 - 31/07/13 05:24 AM

"Bolted Safety - A standard feature on a Holland & Holland Royal / deluxe double rifle.

A secondary catch on the standard safety, often seen on big-bore double rifles, designed to prevent accidental disengagement by a careless gun bearer.

Actually, it is found on many many English double rifles; I have it on one of my Lancaster rifles, and on about four other English makes as well. It was used not only on big bore doubles, but also on medium bore, and smaller bores too. Historically, there was a period of time when the English makers included bolted safeties on their doubles; I think to meet demand for them from customers. Just because they are there, ready to be used, doesn't mean that you have to use them, as you can simply use the regular safety normally, or the bolted one too, when you think it a good choice in certain situations.

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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE [Re: doubleriflejack]
      #233225 - 31/07/13 05:28 AM


"Actually, it is found on many many English double rifles; I have it on one of my Lancaster rifles, "

So did I, the Lancaster that is (or was) on Champlins web site
I think had it (I used to own the rifle).

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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE [Re: 500Nitro]
      #233226 - 31/07/13 06:07 AM

Back to the gun in question.
I have only one observation in execution that really puts me off - and that is the way the stock heads up with the action.
Looks like there is overhanging wood behind the fences at the foreward uppermost corners of the stock head. Looks as though the fences were carved too narrow or shaped wrong to be harmoniously joined to the wood above the sidelocks. Weired looking anyway...

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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE [Re: Huvius]
      #233228 - 31/07/13 06:12 AM


Huvius

I see what you mean.

One side being worse than the other and it might be the photo but it almost looks bogged up.

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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE [Re: 500Nitro]
      #233236 - 31/07/13 08:06 AM

http://www.jamesedition.com/lifestyle-collectibles/antique-arms-and-armor/purdey-470-692823

I have a Purdey .470 extra finish gun which is just the same. Posted a couple of photos on my site (link above) so you can see what I mean. Not quite as much overhang as on the .375/.470 Joh. Outschar & Sohn of Ferlach, but its there.

Does that mean you wouldn't want to own a Purdey .470 deluxe DR?

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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE [Re: Nordmann]
      #233237 - 31/07/13 08:12 AM

Nordmann

My view

You take what is on offer, if you like it,
buy it, if not, don't.

I don't have a problem with critiquing guns,
I think it is good as you learn so much from
people on here, well I do anyway.

And secondly, everyone has likes / dislikes,
it's interesting to see what everyone likes.



Edited by 500Nitro (31/07/13 08:14 AM)

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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE [Re: 500Nitro]
      #233238 - 31/07/13 08:59 AM

Critique is based upon an informed opinion, and never upon personal opinion!

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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE [Re: Nordmann]
      #233239 - 31/07/13 09:07 AM


Agree.

That's why the two comments were separate.

You can critique something in a positive way
even if you don't personally like it.



I might send you an email in the next week.

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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE [Re: 500Nitro]
      #233245 - 31/07/13 10:17 AM

500Nitro...We are all on the same page, and you are very welcome to mail me.

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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE [Re: Huvius]
      #233250 - 31/07/13 03:32 PM

Quote:

Back to the gun in question.
I have only one observation in execution that really puts me off - and that is the way the stock heads up with the action.
Looks like there is overhanging wood behind the fences at the foreward uppermost corners of the stock head. Looks as though the fences were carved too narrow or shaped wrong to be harmoniously joined to the wood above the sidelocks. Weired looking anyway...



It's actually quite disgraceful.

Any craftsman worth his salt would have shaped the wood to the contour of the action. Not left the ends jutting out in space and asking to be knocked and chipped.

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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE [Re: Rhodes]
      #233255 - 31/07/13 06:23 PM

You talking about this:



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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE [Re: Igorrock]
      #233256 - 31/07/13 06:34 PM


Yes, they are.

And the fact the wood to metal fit along the edge
of the lock is not close.

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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE [Re: 500Nitro]
      #233265 - 31/07/13 11:23 PM

Yes.
The top of the action is filed in much the same way that an O/U shotgun would be with a raised rib and the fences tight inward and dropped low in relation.
Look at virtually any big bore double rifle and the fences/balls (whatever you want to call them) are the widest part of the action by quite a margin. This allows for the head of the stock to butt flat against the action without protrusion.
Small bore double rifles, even the British makes, are less wide across the breech in relation to the action bar width which stands to reason.
I guess there is naturally going to be some attempt at reaching a happy medium when building a double with 470 and 375 barrels. Don't want it too heavy for a 375 or too light for a 470 but if they had widened the breech by just a bit, they would have been able to avoid the wood protrusion.
I agree that the wood is just waiting to get chipped off there and although I would dearly love to have a best Purdey, I would not accept the protruding wood on a bespoke gun from any maker. There is just no good reason for it.

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