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mehulkamdar
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600-577 Rewa question
#25894 - 08/02/05 05:06 PM

Other than the Maharaja of Rewa, did anyone get rifles made in this caliber? I saw that Kynoch list the round and several reloading websites talk about it. Hence this question.

Thanks for the replies and good hunting!

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Re: 600-577 Rewa question [Re: mehulkamdar]
#25899 - 08/02/05 11:29 PM

It is generally believed that at the time, only one double chambered for the .577 Rewa was made. I'm sure that a number of recent rifles would have been chambered for the .600/.577, the guys over on the big-bore forum at AR bar-up over this kind of thing.

No doubt Ross Seyfried has a six-pack of Ruger No.1s so-chambered!

I reload for the .600/.577 'Short', otherwise known as the 20-bore/.577 Express, and successfully employ Kynoch(Bertram) Rewa cases shortened by 1/4-inch.

Most of the current Rewa cases would go to cartridge-collectors I suspect.

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Re: 600-577 Rewa question [Re: Marrakai]
#25900 - 08/02/05 11:46 PM

Marrakai,interesting that you mention the 20/577..
That long barreled martini of mine I believe is the above calibre.
I have a couple of boxes of 20 gauge brass cases and am curious as to what length you trim your cases to.
Also what sort of loads and projectiles are you using..
Al

An antique reloading tool for same.

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Re: 600-577 Rewa question [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
#25907 - 09/02/05 12:46 AM

Alan:
Brace yourself! I load the 650-grain Woodleigh Weldcore over 97-grains AR2208, with a saddle-felt wad to take up the space! Of course, this is not as scary as it sounds: the original load of 570-gr paper-patched lead over 167-gr BP generated 10-tons pressure, whereas my 'light' nitro load only generates around 8-tons.

The case-length is 2 3/4 inches. Most 20-bore brass shotshells are 2 1/2 inches. Are yours CBC?

I was offered an Alex Henry reloading tool for this cartridge by Clive H. in Melbourne, but in the end he sent it off to the States when 'his' double was sold there. Bugger!

It's a simply marvellous cartridge, and you have a rare bird there with your single-shot mate. Here's the yarn about my rifle, if you haven't seen it:
Alex Henry 20/.577 Story

Sorry 'bout hijacking your thread, Mehul, you can have it back now!

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Re: 600-577 Rewa question [Re: Marrakai]
#25933 - 09/02/05 08:27 AM

Marrakkai,

Call it the 600-577 Stockholm Syndrome but this is a welcome hijacking.

I have read the history of the Maharaja of Rewa and remember that he commissioned one rifle for himself. I just wondered whether any more were made since Kynamco and Wolfgang Romey list the round now.

I posted this here and not on AR because many members here (including some with whom I have corresponded to some extent) have dozens of old double rifles and have done more than a little research work on them.

Good hunting!

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Re: 600-577 Rewa question [Re: mehulkamdar]
#25992 - 10/02/05 03:04 AM

Hi Mehulkamdar,

Holland&Holland has build at least a pair of doubles a couple of years ago and Hartmann&Weiss has build one rifle on a falling block Hagn action for this cartridge. If anyone can help me on posting pictures, I can post the H&W one. I have also pictures of the H&H double but they are paper prints.
I doubt that Wolfgang Romey is offering this cartridge, but I will check when I see him on friday the 11.
Robert

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Re: 600-577 Rewa question [Re: 577Robert]
#25996 - 10/02/05 04:26 AM

Robert,

Please e-mail the pictures to me at guns@mehulkamdar.com

I shall be very happy to post them for you.

Thank you for the information and I shall look forward to receiving them whenever you have time.

Good hunting!

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Re: 600-577 Rewa question [Re: mehulkamdar]
#26286 - 14/02/05 06:10 PM

Mehulkamdar
Thank you for your kind offer, you should have the picts by now. A friend of my helped me to scan the H&H prints, so I send them as well.
Coming back to my previus email, I can now confirm that Wolfgang Romey is not making or offering the 577 REWA or the 600/577 how it is also called.
May be somebody has mixed that with the 700/577 which he is making for Westley Richards.

Robert

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Re: 600-577 Rewa question [Re: 577Robert]
#26327 - 15/02/05 02:15 PM

Robert,

Thanks for the pictures. They are really beautiful, especially the Hartmann und Weiss. For some reason they did not load onto Photobucket and Hunt 101 and I have sent them to our administrator NitroX and he would put them on the site soon.

Thank you very much for the pictures and for the information from Wolfgang Romey as well.

Good hunting!

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Re: 600-577 Rewa question [Re: mehulkamdar]
#26366 - 16/02/05 03:59 AM

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Re: 600-577 Rewa question [Re: Photos]
#26367 - 16/02/05 04:01 AM

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Re: 600-577 Rewa question [Re: Photos]
#26398 - 16/02/05 03:14 PM

What a lovely double. And the H&W is exquisite.

I am ignorant of the calibres ballistics. What is the bullet weight and velocity? How does it compare to the .577 3" NE?

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Re: 600-577 Rewa question [Re: NitroX]
#26406 - 16/02/05 06:21 PM

Nitrox

Well the 577REWA is a necked down .600NE. The bullet weight is 750 grains - the same as the .577NE 3". It is believed that the velocity of the orginal loading with 110 grains of cordite was 100 fps higher than the regular .577NE 3", which means the .577REWA is propelling the bullet of 750grains at 2150 fps.

Capacity vice the .577REWA case is on par with the .577 Tyrannosaur case ( both Horneber made, 216grain water capacity ), so you can expect to also reach 2400 fps without to many problems. I doubt that the Woodleight bullets ( soft point ) will hold up into game at that speed, so I keep the velocity at 2150 fps. This is reached with 165 grains of Hodgdon H4831 powder.
If you have further questions come back and ask.
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Re: 600-577 Rewa question [Re: 577Robert]
#26416 - 16/02/05 11:00 PM

The Woodleigh 577 softs will flatten a lot at that velocity but still capable of taking game.
I have never shot buffalo but Jack Gooch took one with his 585 nyati at 2500fps and softpoints I beleive.

Karl.

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Re: 600-577 Rewa question [Re: 577Robert]
#26447 - 17/02/05 08:57 AM

NitroX and 577 Robert,

Thanks for the superb pictures.

577 Robert, have H&H started offering the rifles on a regular basis once again? I wonder if there is any story behind this calibre's revival at H&H as there was with the 600 NE. Please let us know if you have the details.

NitroX,

I agree with you. The Hartmann und Weiss is really beautiful. Gun art at it's most exquisite!

Good hunting, everyone!

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Re: 600-577 Rewa question [Re: mehulkamdar]
#26459 - 17/02/05 01:52 PM

The Holland is a handsome rifle but falling blocks are so compact and elegant - that one is a stunner.
Mehul, don`t bother to respond to my email re. the 600/577 Rewa as the information I wanted appears in the thread above.

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Re: 600-577 Rewa question [Re: MacNaughton]
#68135 - 27/12/06 11:52 PM

BTTT. Christmas thread "spinner".

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Re: 600-577 Rewa question [Re: NitroX]
#253537 - 14/09/14 03:39 PM

While not a Rewa ,took my 585 Hubel Express on a Ruger No1 to Arnhem land and got two buffalo with it ,with load of a 750 gr Bertram softpoint and 150gr Ar2213sc which gets 2000 fps ,the Hubel Express can be loaded to about 2600fps[and exceed 600 NE energy levels] but 2000 is enough for me and did the job on two buffalo knocking the snot out of them ,i also took a 458 Lott and 378 Weatherby ,the 585 had a more definite effect on buffalo ,on one animal the bullet entered the shoulder and exited near the pelvis which we worked out at four feet of penetration with a softpoint, in future if i go again i would only take the 585 .Wal Winfer had some Fraser side lever 577 Rewa[s] for sale some time ago .

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