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crkennedy1
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Remington SPR22 in 45-70 Govt.
      #121419 - 18/12/08 02:56 AM

I know, I know - I'm almost not even worthy to post on this forum with my double rifle, but at least I am now in the market! About 9 months ago I purchased the Remington SPR22 in 30-06. I took it to the range and had a blast shooting it. Lots of folks gathered around to gawk at it too - it was kind of fun. My wife has just gotten me the SPR22 in 45-70 Govt. for Christmas, and I'm counting the days until Christmas! Here's my question - will it be safe to shoot 45-70 loads that are 405 gr? While looking at the various loads available for the rifle at Cabela's the other day, I noticed several varieties of loads ranging from 300 gr. and up. The hottest load was the 405 gr. which is also manufactured by Remington. It states on the box that the load will work in all 45-70 rifles. Any recommendations or advise? This is my first post - what a great site! Thanks, Christopher

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Re: Remington SPR22 in 45-70 Govt. [Re: crkennedy1]
      #121422 - 18/12/08 04:12 AM

Remington 45-70 ammunition is made for the Trapdoor Springfield, and should be safe in any rifle chambered for the 45-70, provided the rifle is safe to shoot at all. Your Remington SPR22 should work well with Remington factory ammunition.

How is the accuracy of your Remington SPR22 in 30-06?

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Re: Remington SPR22 in 45-70 Govt. [Re: Tatume]
      #121423 - 18/12/08 04:21 AM

Tom, thanks for the feedback on the 45-70 ammo. I'm looking forward to taking it to the range after Christmas. The 30-06 is suprisingly accurate. Admittedly, I only shot it out to 50 yards mainly because I was using open sites, and my vision isn't what it used to be. I recently purchased a Nikon 2x7 scope that I am planning to put on it. I'll then move out to 100 yards. Anything further than that, I have a Browing A-Bolt that does the job quite nicely. Christopher

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Re: Remington SPR22 in 45-70 Govt. [Re: crkennedy1]
      #121444 - 18/12/08 10:35 AM

i shoot the leverloution by hornaday in mine put 4 boxes through it and all went well shoots great i am pleased with mine

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Re: Remington SPR22 in 45-70 Govt. [Re: crkennedy1]
      #121446 - 18/12/08 10:42 AM

In my 45/70 I've been shooting a handload that replicates the remington factory ammo and the rifle will shoot clover leafs at 50 yards. I've tried the leverevolution stuff and the shots were already crossing at 50 yards. Your results may vary, but shooting the remington I didn't have to mess with the jack screws at all.
On my 30-06 version I found the Federal 150gr to hit 1/2 apart at 50 without re-regulating.

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Re: Remington SPR22 in 45-70 Govt. [Re: brianj]
      #121501 - 19/12/08 12:06 AM

Thanks for the advise on the ammo. If I get proficient with the 45-70, the plan is to take it with me to Africa when I head over there for the first time (hopefully this next year). I haven't messed with the jack screws on either gun yet. When I finally get my hands on the 45-70 on Christmas morning, my plan is to read the instructions on just how it all works. Perhaps one of you can tell me how it all works instead? Does the the jack screw adjust the left barrel while the right barrel stays stationary? Any advise or observations would be greatly appreciated for both the 30-06 and/or the 45-70.

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Re: Remington SPR22 in 45-70 Govt. [Re: crkennedy1]
      #121526 - 19/12/08 09:44 AM

you wont find info on the jack screws in the manuel they dont even point it out to you.i had to call yhe EA gunsmith to get directions and i have to call them again because i forgot where i put it this time i will put it on the underside of the forend.remember the left barrel is fixed that what i used to align the scope the jackscrew is for the right.but i to will try the remington

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Re: Remington SPR22 in 45-70 Govt. [Re: bwananelson]
      #121689 - 21/12/08 01:23 AM

I am looking at what I guess is the jack screw. There is a little slot on the underside of the barrels. It looks like a tiny little wheel with teeth on it that you rotate? It's my guess that you rotate the wheel one way or the other to adjust the movement of the right barrel to come in line with the left?

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Re: Remington SPR22 in 45-70 Govt. [Re: crkennedy1]
      #121692 - 21/12/08 01:42 AM

you got it

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Re: Remington SPR22 in 45-70 Govt. [Re: bwananelson]
      #121710 - 21/12/08 05:45 AM

Those pointy bullet factory loads may work just fine on deer, but are too frangible for moose or elk - apparently. Might be OK if you NEVER hit any bone, not even ribs. Much better off with factory WW or RP 405's for moose or elk. Handloads bringing them up to 1,600fps with about 45 or 46gr. 3031 will not tax that rifle's system.

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Re: Remington SPR22 in 45-70 Govt. [Re: DarylS]
      #121750 - 21/12/08 04:08 PM

Since the boxes of shells that I got are Remington, I feel pretty comfortable that they will shoot okay out of my double (Remington in Remington). Frankly, I'm excited about shooting a 405 gr. out of it. That's the most powerful factory load that I was able to find. I have great expectations! Back to the jack screw - is there some kind of little tool that I use to adjust the wheel? If so, does anybody know where I can locate one. Thanks, Christopher

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Re: Remington SPR22 in 45-70 Govt. [Re: crkennedy1]
      #121778 - 22/12/08 12:51 AM

"I know, I know - I'm almost not even worthy to post on this forum with my double rifle, but at least I am now in the market!"

Wrong, You are most worthy!. If all you ever do is dream about Safari and Double rifles - you are worthy. This is a gun and hunting lovers lounge with friendly fellows with whom to bond.

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Re: Remington SPR22 in 45-70 Govt. [Re: crkennedy1]
      #121780 - 22/12/08 01:04 AM

Regarding the 45-70 and Afrika. Garret cartridges have been making 45-70 cartridges with very heavy solids 420 and 540 grains with huge metplats that have been proven in Afrika.

GS bullets http://www.gsgroup.co.za/03fn.html makes a 450 grain monolithic flat nose solid that would be perfect in the 45-70.

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Re: Remington SPR22 in 45-70 Govt. [Re: DarylS]
      #121782 - 22/12/08 01:30 AM

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Much better off with factory WW or RP 405's for moose or elk. Handloads bringing them up to 1,600fps with about 45 or 46gr. 3031 will not tax that rifle's system.



The factory 405's tend to open up well but may not hold together at upper velocities {over 1600 fps} depending on what you hit; shoulder, etc.

I am not promoting the following load for your double at all, since I do not know what pressures it generates, but Daryl is right as far as my Marlin is concerned; 45 grains of 3031 + grease wad column making for a compressed load, shooting the Lee "400" grain Hollow Point {mine weigh 402 grains cast of wheelweights} go 1640 fps, spot on to what Daryl says here.

It is a killer of a bullet at that speed, too. I have killed bear, deer and 2 range cattle with it. I do not know if they still make the mold but it in my opinion makes for one of the best .45-70 bullets ever made for big critters or small as the bullet acts just about like a Nosler Partition, expanding fast and then blowing off the HP portion with the base shaft of 300+ grains continuing on. One of those range cattle was shot in the head as it came for me and the bullet penetrated a later-measured 24 inches of bone, grislte and muscle, shattering neck vertebrae the whole way and coming to rest in the mass between the shoulders. In my test media it has performed similarly at close range to Swift A-Frames in the .375 H&H Magnum.

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Re: Remington SPR22 in 45-70 Govt. [Re: 9.3x57]
      #121785 - 22/12/08 01:59 AM

getting back to the wheel i just used a small allen wrench it worked for me have fun with it

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Re: Remington SPR22 in 45-70 Govt. [Re: bwananelson]
      #121795 - 22/12/08 03:25 AM

405gr running at 1200-1400 did for most of the north american bison if i remember rightly.............
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Re: Remington SPR22 in 45-70 Govt. [Re: greenshoots]
      #121842 - 22/12/08 08:06 AM

I wasnb't there but actually, the largest percentage of Plains buffalo were killed with Sharps Carbine and rifles chambered for the .50/70 and mostly with 'surplus' US Army issue copper cased, inside (Bennet) primed, 70gr. BP loads using 450gr. pointed bullets of pure lead, running about 1,150fps from the short 22" barrels. Some rifles of course were used, giving another 100fps, but again in .50/70. The buffalo were almost done by the time .45/70 military rifles were finally hitting the 'surplus' market. the term Big .50 came about long before the .50/90 (.50 2 1/2") ever left a Sharps factory. The term was used to differenciate between the .50/70 and the smaller .40 to .45 calibre bullets.

Yes, there were a few .45/70's in the hands of market hunters along with .44/77's and a host of .40's through other .50 cal. rounds but few in number compared to the thousands of 'surplus' .50 Sharps Carbines and Rifles that were sold off my the military.

This is as I understand the way things went. I tend to look for actual documentation, letters, etc, rather than go by what modern gun writers make up and print.

Yes, the 405gr. Black Powder load at 1,200fps to 1,300fps was very effective on game. The 1880's era 500gr. .45/70 loading proved better for buffalo, elk and other 'critters or people' worth shooting at long range.

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Re: Remington SPR22 in 45-70 Govt. [Re: bwananelson]
      #121889 - 22/12/08 02:15 PM

Thanks - that makes sense. I'll use the allen wrench to adjust the wheel. With regard to the shells, since I have a few boxes of the Remington 405 gr, I'm going to try them out. If they blow big enough holes in the targets... I'm taking them to Africa! (... eventually)

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Re: Remington SPR22 in 45-70 Govt. [Re: crkennedy1]
      #121892 - 22/12/08 02:30 PM

Quote:

Thanks - that makes sense. I'll use the allen wrench to adjust the wheel. With regard to the shells, since I have a few boxes of the Remington 405 gr, I'm going to try them out. If they blow big enough holes in the targets... I'm taking them to Africa! (... eventually)



At the 1150-1250 or so velocities common to factory loads, the 405's may not expand much at all in game even at close range unless a heavy bone is struck.

At very high .45-70 velocity {1900+} you may find they expand too much.

I am guessing the best velocity for the Remington 405 factory soft {available as a reloading component} for heavy game might be in the might be in the 1500-1800 range. With your double, the key thing is to match safe pressure levels to your gun and then zero/regulate to the best possible load you can. What is that best working pressure? I have no idea. I am doubting that Remington or the old EAA would tell you the action is OK for anything better than Trapdoor loads, so you'd be on your own.

More or less, "Welcome to Forty-Five Seventyland".

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Re: Remington SPR22 in 45-70 Govt. [Re: 9.3x57]
      #121957 - 23/12/08 09:39 AM

I'm finding out that's the problem - I don't think the manufacturer is going to tell what will work as the best (hottest) pressure, and I guess that's why I'm taking the "safe" route and planning to stick to a factory load made by the same company (i.e. Remington 405 gr). I'd love to find out the magic (velocity) number!

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Re: Remington SPR22 in 45-70 Govt. [Re: crkennedy1]
      #121958 - 23/12/08 10:48 AM

pressure limit is printed on side of barrel

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Re: Remington SPR22 in 45-70 Govt. [Re: bwananelson]
      #121975 - 23/12/08 02:40 PM

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pressure limit is printed on side of barrel



Bwana: What is it?

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Re: Remington SPR22 in 45-70 Govt. [Re: 9.3x57]
      #121977 - 23/12/08 03:11 PM

And how can the user measure it to prevent exceeding it?

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Re: Remington SPR22 in 45-70 Govt. [Re: 9.3x57]
      #121981 - 23/12/08 03:37 PM

Pressure stamped on the barrel is 2200Bar 31900 HST. 2200Bar is around 33000PSI, don't know what HST is. Rem web site Spec sheet list 28000PSI for max pressure. I plan to use loads from the loading manuals that list pressures lower than 28000PSI. Loads for Springfields are all lower, most loadsfor lever guns are below this range also.
Iwant to use LBT bullets 340-400gr 1200-1400fps, should do well to 150yds. Also round ball at about 1000fps if I can get to regulate with same barrel settings as hunting load. I can adjuist the scope for elvaation.

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Re: Remington SPR22 in 45-70 Govt. [Re: Sparky]
      #121985 - 23/12/08 04:40 PM

Boy 9ThreeXFifty7, you weren't kidding when you said "Welcome to Forty-Five Seventyland" - MY GOSH! Never-the-less, I'm counting the days to Christmas - that SPR22 is just sitting there, wrapped & under the tree... It sounds to me like the Remington 405 gr. shells will be safe and will do the killing just fine. I still don't greeve about selling my 458 Lott - that was just too much gun, and my sholder is still thanking me.

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