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mehulkamdar
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Member Needs Shotgun ID Help
      #155263 - 02/03/10 11:22 AM

I was sent these pictures by Dr Moazzam Ali Khan who is considering buying a shotgun. The gun is marked "John Stanton GL maker by Purdey," "shotgun patent no 324, 1870," and "shotgun no is11783."

He would like any help / suggestions / advice that experienced members may have for him.

Good hunting!

















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Re: Member Needs Shotgun ID Help [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #155264 - 02/03/10 11:35 AM



???? His gun

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Re: Member Needs Shotgun ID Help [Re: Grenadier]
      #155292 - 02/03/10 05:53 PM

I think this gun is refered as a export gun in greeners book.

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Re: Member Needs Shotgun ID Help [Re: 450_366]
      #155294 - 02/03/10 06:03 PM


Gun looks like it

- has been restocked - badly IMHO
- well worn
- is off the face.


I could think of a heap of other guns to buy before that one.

Just my HO.

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Re: Member Needs Shotgun ID Help [Re: 500Nitro]
      #155344 - 03/03/10 05:20 AM

The patentee of #324 of 1870 was John Thomas, a Birmingham action maker. Apparently he never made complete guns, but supplied his barreled actions "in the white" to many other gunmakers. His patented single-bite snap action as seen on this gun, had a "turret", turned by the toplever, inside the breech. This turret bears down on the bite, projecting from the rear of the barrel lump.
John Stanton of Wolverhampton was a specialized gunlock maker, hence the "GL"? Stanton invented the rebounding hammer lock in 1867 and supplied his famous locks to "name" gunmakers. My Rigby .500 BPE DR has locks signed "Stanton". He also supplied his locks to Purdeys and Holland&Holland.
The gun was proofed in London, London View marks on the action flats. This gun may well have started life as a second grade Purdey, made to order on a Thomas action with Stanton's "new" rebounding locks. The sorry remains of engraving point to Purdey's direction. In the 1870s Purdeys some times used actions by other makers, fi in the Coburg armory in Germany there is a Purdey signed double rifle on a Westley Richards action. It once belonged to Ernst von Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha, brother-in-law to Queen Victoria.

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Re: Member Needs Shotgun ID Help [Re: kuduae]
      #155379 - 03/03/10 03:10 PM

first of all am thankful to my dear friend MEHUL ,for posting this post on forum...
there is some old shotgun record which is given me by a friend which indicate the serial no of shotgun serial no :11783: was produce by purdy in year 1883 and 1884.refrence link is given below....

http://www.gun-data.com/james_purdey_shotguns.html

what is yours valuable thinking about this record

regards

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mehulkamdar
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Re: Member Needs Shotgun ID Help [Re: moazzam]
      #156174 - 12/03/10 01:49 AM

Dr Moazzam Ali Khan has given me the following e-mail from Purdey which he has requested me to post:

Dear Sir,

Thank you for your enquiry. We have researched our records
and can confirm the following original specification:

12-bore Purdey gun no. 11783
Completed in May 1885 for Mr. T.C. van Buren

Bar in Wood Hammer gun
Top lever
Whitworth steel barrels
Barrel length not recorded
Full choke both barrels
Third grip to action
Spring bladed front trigger
Heel and toe pieces
Stock length: 14 9/16"
Weight of gun: 7lb 3 3/4 oz

We hope this information is of interest..

Regards,

Linda Corkill
James Purdey & Sons Ltd
Tel: + 44 (0) 207 499 1801

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kuduae
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Re: Member Needs Shotgun ID Help [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #156234 - 12/03/10 07:21 AM

So this is obviously not a Purdey, as it never was a Bar in Wood, never had a Third grip and is of the wrong time! The "by Purdey" inscription is obviously spurious, and the "J.Stanton GL maker" part may have been copied by an Asiatic artist from another gun too. Stanton usually signed his locks on the inside only! The whole outside inscription reminds me of the many crude "WAU?ER" pistols I have seen.

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moazzam
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Re: Member Needs Shotgun ID Help [Re: kuduae]
      #156296 - 12/03/10 11:48 PM

yes its true that J.Stanton GL maker is stamped inside the lock..
..and all other details that send by j purdey to me is as above mentioned by my friend mehul are above mentioned

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