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DoubleD
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ATF sporting exemption of destructive device
      #121656 - 20/12/08 05:32 PM

Any one have any experience in applying for an ATF sporting exemption for rifle greater than .50 caliber?

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Re: ATF sporting exemption of destructive device [Re: DoubleD]
      #121690 - 21/12/08 01:35 AM

No, but I have owned machine guns and SBR in the past and dealing with them was very easy and they were very helpful during all of the process including eventual sale of same. NFA Branch is much more difficult to interact with now that they moved, and you might have to write a letter and ask if your plan would be accepted. That might take a few months. If you know your item fits a specific category, you can merely apply for registration. Do NOT take ownership of the item before receiving your tax stamp, however. Yikes!

Most people that I have spoken to who have problems with NFA have the problems because they do not fill out the application properly and NFA takes a long time to get back to them about the problem, and then they must restart the app.

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Re: ATF sporting exemption of destructive device [Re: 9.3x57]
      #121695 - 21/12/08 02:34 AM

Not looking for information about a NFA weapons.Fully familiar with that process.

I am looking for information on the Sporting Weapons Exmption and the process. The exemption for arms like double rifles, bolt rifles and single shot rifles in calibers larger than .50. The Dangerous game guns used by the folks here for hunting. That exemption.

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Re: ATF sporting exemption of destructive device [Re: DoubleD]
      #121700 - 21/12/08 04:19 AM

No idea.

Do you need such a thing to own a .577 caliber rifle for example?

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Re: ATF sporting exemption of destructive device [Re: 9.3x57]
      #121706 - 21/12/08 05:09 AM

If you look at 26 USC Sec. 5845 it implies you do. It's stuck way at the bottom. It implies the Secretary of Treasury has issue a finding that the rifle is for sporting purposes.

Anybody know anything about this?

Quote:

TITLE 26 - INTERNAL REVENUE CODE
Subtitle E - Alcohol, Tobacco, and Certain Other Excise Taxes
CHAPTER 53 - MACHINE GUNS, DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES, AND CERTAIN OTHER
FIREARMS
Subchapter B - General Provisions and Exemptions
PART I - GENERAL PROVISIONS

HEAD

Sec. 5845. Definitions

STATUTE

For the purpose of this chapter -
(a) Firearm
The term "firearm" means (1) a shotgun having a barrel or barrels
of less than 18 inches in length; (2) a weapon made from a shotgun
if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26
inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length; (3)
a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in
length; (4) a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified
has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels
of less than 16 inches in length; (5) any other weapon, as defined
in subsection (e); (6) a machinegun; (7) any silencer (as defined
in section 921 of title 18, United States Code); and (8) a
destructive device. The term "firearm" shall not include an antique
firearm or any device (other than a machinegun or destructive
device) which, although designed as a weapon, the Secretary finds
by reason of the date of its manufacture, value, design, and other
characteristics is primarily a collector's item and is not likely
to be used as a weapon.
(b) Machinegun
The term "machinegun" means any weapon which shoots, is designed
to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more
than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of
the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of
any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and
exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use
in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of
parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in
the possession or under the control of a person.
(c) Rifle
The term "rifle" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or
remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or
redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in
a fixed cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled
bore for each single pull of the trigger, and shall include any
such weapon which may be readily restored to fire a fixed
cartridge.
(d) Shotgun
The term "shotgun" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or
remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or
redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in
a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number
of projectiles (ball shot) or a single projectile for each pull of
the trigger, and shall include any such weapon which may be readily
restored to fire a fixed shotgun shell.
(e) Any other weapon
The term "any other weapon" means any weapon or device capable of
being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged
through the energy of an explosive, a pistol or revolver having a
barrel with a smooth bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed
shotgun shell, weapons with combination shotgun and rifle barrels
12 inches or more, less than 18 inches in length, from which only a
single discharge can be made from either barrel without manual
reloading, and shall include any such weapon which may be readily
restored to fire. Such term shall not include a pistol or a
revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons
designed, made, or intended to be fired from the shoulder and not
capable of firing fixed ammunition.
(f) Destructive device
The term "destructive device" means (1) any explosive,
incendiary, or poison gas (A) bomb, (B) grenade, (C) rocket having
a propellent charge of more than four ounces, (D) missile having an
explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce, (E)
mine, or (F) similar device; (2) any type of weapon by whatever
name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel
a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, the
barrel or barrels of which have a bore of more than one-half inch
in diameter, except a shotgun or shotgun shell which the Secretary
finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting
purposes; and (3) any combination of parts either designed or
intended for use in converting any device into a destructive device
as defined in subparagraphs (1) and (2) and from which a
destructive device may be readily assembled.

The term "destructive
device" shall not include any device
which is neither designed nor
redesigned for use as a weapon; any device, although originally
designed for use as a weapon, which is redesigned for use as a
signaling, pyrotechnic, line throwing, safety, or similar device;
surplus ordnance sold, loaned, or given by the Secretary of the
Army pursuant to the provisions of section 4684(2), 4685, or 4686
of title 10 of the United States Code; or any other device which
the Secretary finds is not likely to be used as a weapon, or is an
antique or is a rifle which the owner intends to use solely for
sporting purposes.





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Re: ATF sporting exemption of destructive device [Re: DoubleD]
      #121720 - 21/12/08 07:44 AM

AHR and SSK IND. have obtained approval letters for big guns for sporting purposes. Give Wayne or J.D. a call, they could point you in the right direction.

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Re: ATF sporting exemption of destructive device [Re: bigdog]
      #121723 - 21/12/08 08:32 AM

It appears to me the paragraph reads that a device is NOT a destructive device if it is a rifle specifically for sporting purposes. A letter to the people in West Virginia should clarify the situation. I just in the last week recieved a SBR permit/license/tax stamp or whatever it is called from them and they were very heplful in obtaining it with absolutely no problems although the whole process took over three months start to finish. I believe the office is in Martinburg,W Va that could give you the answer and the phone conversations I have had with them have been most helpful.

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Re: ATF sporting exemption of destructive device [Re: zimhunter]
      #121742 - 21/12/08 02:16 PM

That is my intention to write the letter to ATF. I was looking for others personal experience and especaily to learn if there was some sort of established special procedure.

How many of you guys with guns greater the .50 cal have an exemption finding?

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Re: ATF sporting exemption of destructive device [Re: DoubleD]
      #121747 - 21/12/08 03:33 PM

I have exemption on my 700HE belted cases.
You write a letter asking for exemption
for sporting use, include schematic or
a print of case and dimensions. Include
a list of sporting type guns it can be
used in. It takes a few months.All older NE and other
older over 50cal cases are grandfathered in.
Shotgun calibers are exempt as long as gun fires
shotgun cases.You can't take surplus 30mm and neck it
to 12ga and still be an exempt 12ga as it wouldn't
fire other 12ga cases.ED

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Re: ATF sporting exemption of destructive device [Re: hubel458]
      #121788 - 22/12/08 02:46 AM

Ed,

Do you know if you can get the letter for existing guns?

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