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bulldog563
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What do you guys think of the 450 Rigby?
      #55391 - 21/04/06 03:58 PM

What do you guys think of the 450 Rigby? I was curious because you always hear so much about the 416 but not much at all about the 450. It seems like a great cartridge..... 458 bullets so lots and lots available, you can load it anywhere from 458wm range to 460wby range with lower pressures. I think there is factory ammo available for it, It has plenty of room for heavy for caliber bullets....I have seen up to 600 gr and as low as 300gr. I read an article discussing the 450 Rigby and the author had loads with 500gr pills @ 2566fps and 600grs @ 2214fps.

Anyone have any opinions, info and or experience with the cartridge?

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Re: What do you guys think of the 450 Rigby? [Re: bulldog563]
      #55407 - 21/04/06 11:44 PM

We have han increasing interest in the 450 Rigby. We just shipped out an action to another gun builder setup for it. I think it is a good round, that hasn't been fully appreciated yet.



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Re: What do you guys think of the 450 Rigby? [Re: bulldog563]
      #55416 - 22/04/06 01:35 AM

It was designed by Paul Roberts of J Roberts and Son Gunmakers when he owned Rigby before he sold the company to Rogue River in California. Not an original Rigby pre war chambering but a nice round. Paul is a fine man to communicate with and when I have contacted him in the past has always been more than generous with his time and information. Just send him an e-mail and ask him what you would like to know - he hunts elephant and buffalo regularly in Africa and it is one of his favourite rounds from what I have heard.

These days he owns the W J Jeffery name in addition to his own very illustrious company.

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Re: What do you guys think of the 450 Rigby? [Re: bulldog563]
      #55523 - 23/04/06 03:25 AM

IMO, the .450 Rigby is no different than the .460 Wby. That is, it's a round that is just too big for caliber and that does not provide a sufficient power increase to offset the disadvantages of its size. Neither the .450 Rigby nor the .460 Wby. will do appreciably more on game than a .458 Lott, and both will jack up the recoil and give up at least two or three rounds of magazine capacity in the bargain.

The Lott, which can propel a 500 grain bullet at 2,300 fps, is to me the apex of bolt rifle .45 calibers. The Lott gives you ample power and large magazine capacity combined in a handy and quick to manage rifle. For example, my CZ 550 Magnum actioned rifle in .458 Lott holds five rounds down, and will chamber one more on top of those when needed, making for a .45 caliber six-shooter with a lot more power than Col. Colt's!

If I wanted more power than the Lott can give me (and I have wanted, and used, more), I would step up to a cartridge having a larger caliber bullet, say, a .474 or even better, a .510 caliber, rather than another .458.

This kind of choice is all about compromise, and every man sets his own parameters. These are mine only and I would certainly not say that anyone else's choice of the .450 Rigby is a wrong or bad choice. The big .450 Rigby will no doubt get the job done, and get it done quite well.

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Re: What do you guys think of the 450 Rigby? [Re: MRobinson]
      #55529 - 23/04/06 06:08 AM

I agree with mrlexma.

The 458 Lott does the same with more rounds available at the closer distances you use these rifles with the same cross sectional "whack area" and less penetration risk to other animals.

If you feel comfortable with that much gun you may want to consider moving up to a 500 class bolt like a 500 Jeffery/AHR/A Square or 505 Gibbs.I think the animals will notice the difference!!

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Re: What do you guys think of the 450 Rigby? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #55538 - 23/04/06 01:14 PM

I also agree with Mrlexma. Also, while not a huge factor, you might find Lott ammo in your destination city when you find that your ammo has gone missing on the trip over. You will almost certainly find 458wm ammo which is safe to fire in the Lott chamber, though you would want to limit the number of rounds of 458wm to a minimum, just in case there is something to the fire erosion ring at the top of the wm case mouth rumor.

If you want more umph than the Lott in a bolt rifle move up in calibre.

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Re: What do you guys think of the 450 Rigby? [Re: MRobinson]
      #55553 - 24/04/06 01:07 AM

I think most agree that the .460 Weatherby is too much of a good thing. The .460 G&A was brought out to give the 500 gr. .458 bullet the magic 2400 fps sought by so many. This cartridge has since been eclipsed by the .458 Lott in terms of acceptance, although I'm not sure why. A .458 version of the Remington Ultra I would of thought would of been a natural turn of events, but as yet has not come about, at least not in a factory offering.

The .450 Rigby has a huge case, but if loaded to 2400, it would be a fine performer at low pressure.

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Re: What do you guys think of the 450 Rigby? [Re: bulldog563]
      #55557 - 24/04/06 01:21 AM

If I ever decide to go with another big .45, it's going to be the 458 Lott, simply because it's an American cartridge that's available, and if worse comes to worst in the bush, I can always feed it 458 Win. Mag. ammo and get by........

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Re: What do you guys think of the 450 Rigby? [Re: allenday]
      #55668 - 25/04/06 09:42 AM

I have shot and worked on several it is the 450 Dakota, .460 WBY rehash. Ammo is near impossible to find

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Re: What do you guys think of the 450 Rigby? [Re: Ratel74]
      #55680 - 25/04/06 02:10 PM

No Problemo.... I just happen to have 180 NIB 450 Dakota cases and as New Redding dies for sale.. Just knock off 35% from Dakota's list and it's yours.. Ooop's, sorry your talking about RIGBY..My bad

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Re: What do you guys think of the 450 Rigby? [Re: MopaneMike]
      #56400 - 04/05/06 06:24 PM

bulldog, i believe you might have read my article (link to it for those of you interested in it ( http://www.huntingsafaris.net/pdf/reloadingtherigby450rimless.pdf www.huntingsafaris.net )
mrlexma, i do not agree that the Lott holds 2-3 more cartridges than the Rigby, maybe that much more than the Weatherby 460. Remember, the Rigby has no belt. If loaded to around 2400 with a 500gr bullet, the pressure is very low. As stated in my article, IMO the Rigby 450 does its best work with heavier bullets. I load mine with 500gr GS Custom FN bullets (still need to convince Gerard to make heavier bullets for me someday!), and 550gr Rhino solid shank expanding bullets @ 2450 and 2300 ft/sec respectively. So, if you are into heavier bullets (like I am), the Rigby (or Dakota) .450 is a very good choice.

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Re: What do you guys think of the 450 Rigby? [Re: Ndumo]
      #56583 - 07/05/06 03:15 PM

I have two rifles, same actions and bottom metal, not the slightest difference between the two. One a .458 Lott and the other a .416 Rigby (same case as the .450). The Lott holds five down and one up. The Rigby holds three down and one up. QED.

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Re: What do you guys think of the 450 Rigby? [Re: MRobinson]
      #56588 - 07/05/06 03:38 PM

QED?

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Re: What do you guys think of the 450 Rigby? [Re: bulldog563]
      #56624 - 08/05/06 02:12 PM

In reply to:

QED?



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abbreviation used especially at the conclusion of a proof of a geometric theorem: quod erat demonstrandum (Latin), which was the thing that had to be proved.

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Re: What do you guys think of the 450 Rigby? [Re: Charles_Helm]
      #56784 - 10/05/06 01:49 PM

Yes, QED, quod erat demonstrandum.

What must be shown has been shown, is close enough a definition for those, like me, who are colloquially inclined.

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Re: What do you guys think of the 450 Rigby? [Re: bulldog563]
      #57580 - 22/05/06 05:31 PM

I saw the Hein rifles at the NRA show and theyw ere exquisite. Wonderful people to talk to as well. Just give Karl a shout if you want to build one.

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