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k80
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which of the 450s ?
      #44438 - 20/12/05 01:17 PM

Reading some of the recent post
about rechambering to the 450s.
I am considering a 450 of some
type in a Ruger #1 Anniversary
model that is currently 45-70.
All of the re-chamber cost would
be about the same. How does the
long term cost (brass,etc.)
compare? What is the most popular
of the 450S? Is one more practical
than others? I looked in "Any Shot
You Want" they appear close.


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Re: which of the 450s ? [Re: k80]
      #44458 - 20/12/05 05:39 PM

k80
What do you want the rifle for?
For North America the 45/70 loaded hot is plenty enough for any game suitable for a single shot.

If you are talking about hunting in Africa either the 450 3 1/4" or the 450 No2 is a good choice, but recoil wil be stout in the Ruger No1.

It would be simple and in-expensive to to rechamber for the 45/120. Dougaboy has done this and tell you the Ballistics.
I would think in the No1 you could get close to the 458 Win Mag.

If I was not planning on using it in Africa I would leave it as a 45/70 and just load it to Ruger 45/70 pressures.
I have a standard Ruger No1 in 47/70 and my standard load has all the recoil and power for ANY North American game.

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Re: which of the 450s ? [Re: NE450No2]
      #44469 - 21/12/05 02:23 AM

I completely agree with 450No2. You can load your 45/70 to insane levels. I had one and was able to get 2150 fps out of a 400 grain bullet. And in a 7.5 lbs rifle that truly is insane!

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Re: which of the 450s ? [Re: k80]
      #44478 - 21/12/05 05:06 AM

Does any have the ballistics on the 450 no2 or the other 450 3 1/2"? Whats the difference between that and 45-90, 45-100, 45-120? I understand the increased case size, but what about pressure levels etc.

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Re: which of the 450s ? [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #44483 - 21/12/05 06:07 AM

The 450#2 is probably the greatest double rifle cartridge ever designed. It shoots the ubiquitous .458 bullets, delivers 5000+ lbs of ME at only 10 tons per square inch.

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Re: which of the 450s ? [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #44485 - 21/12/05 06:42 AM


colorado

The book Cartridges of he World is very good for quick comparisons
betwen all cartridges as it is so well laid out.

If you don't have it I would suggest that you get a cop

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Re: which of the 450s ? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #44486 - 21/12/05 07:08 AM

Another possible option may be to try some of the Garrett cartridges only useable in a #1 45-70?

They are big and bad, and if I recall correctly, their website has some info on using them on African hunts.

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Re: which of the 450s ? [Re: Grizzly]
      #44532 - 21/12/05 05:00 PM

What is the difference between the 450, 450 #2, 450 3 1/4"?

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Re: which of the 450s ? [Re: bulldog563]
      #44533 - 21/12/05 05:32 PM

I could be wrong but I think I would go for the ordinary .450 NE which I think is the .450 NE 3 1/4" because it appears to be made from .45 basic brass and might even be the same case that the .45-120 Sharps is based on...if so it might be the least likely of the bunch to be discontinued by brass makers.

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Re: which of the 450s ? [Re: NE450No2]
      #44568 - 22/12/05 03:30 AM

450NE

What is your feeling about 450 Rigby in a DG Rifle..If you have any thoughts or other suggestion on this I would like to hear all you have to say..

Thanks,
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Re: which of the 450s ? [Re: rgp]
      #44588 - 22/12/05 05:56 AM

In reply to:


I could be wrong but I think I would go for the ordinary .450 NE which I think is the .450 NE 3 1/4" because it appears to be made from .45 basic brass and might even be the same case that the .45-120 Sharps is based on...if so it might be the least likely of the bunch to be discontinued by brass makers.

Richard.



Richard, the 450NE3 1/4" is not the same case as the 45-120. Though they are the same length, the 450NE has a far larger powder capacity. The rim dia is much larger(.626"), as is the head of the cartridge over the web (.548"). With a powder capacity of 136.04 grs water.

While the 45-120 is a smaller case ecentually a long 45-70, with the only difference between them being the case length. The 45-120 has a rim dia of .597, and a head dia of .506, and a case capacity of 113.04 grs water.

The 45-120 is made from the 45 basic brass, but the 450NE is the parent case for the 450NE 3'1/4", and all the smaller rounds built on the 450 case like the 450/400NE 3", and 3 1/4". The 450#2 NE is made on the .500 base brass. The 450NE chambering reamer will clean out a 458 Win Mag chamber completely, while the 45-120 will not!

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Re: which of the 450s ? [Re: k80]
      #44615 - 22/12/05 10:43 AM

K80

I would go for the 450 3 1/4. It is a very traditional cartridge in single shot Farquarson's of which the Ruger is, at least, a visual copy. With a little bit of stock clean up you could make a #1 look very much like a Jeffery's.

That can't be all bad.

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Re: which of the 450s ? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #44659 - 22/12/05 06:10 PM

Ordered it tonight! Thanks!

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Re: which of the 450s ? [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #44713 - 23/12/05 02:38 PM

Rim thickness and twist are different between the .450NE and the 45/70, I ended up getting a new barrel blank for the #1 that I am building to .450 NE 3 1/4".
About the only .450NE brass available with Bell gone has the thin(.040) rim while the 45/70 brass - and your chamber's rim recess - will be around .060. Dave

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