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The Best Off-Road Truck
      #380260 - 23/10/23 01:04 AM

The Best Off-Road Truck Isn’t Found in the U.S.
Safari trucks based on the Toyota Land Cruiser 79 are the most capable off-road rigs on the planet

BY JOHN B. SNOW | PUBLISHED AUG 24, 2021 12:30 PM EDT

https://www.outdoorlife.com/adventure/best-off-road-truck/

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      #380263 - 23/10/23 02:03 AM

John,

That is a very good article. Too bad we cannot get FJ79s in the US.

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      #380264 - 23/10/23 02:20 AM

Commercial 70 series dual cab Landcruiser utes are very popular among the farm lads. Not cheap though!

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      #380266 - 23/10/23 04:36 AM

John Snow would know though, being at "The Wall" and all.

PS(I thought they used horses, though)

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      #380275 - 23/10/23 04:26 PM

Pictures posted of these or other Landcruisers are welcome.

I'll try to get some off the net or personal posted.

I don't see much need for the "back of bakkie" shooting seat and platform here in Australia. We don't havemuchnov chaffeurs/PHs driving us around shooting animals from the vehicle. If we shoot from the vehicle it's usually out the window ... or if spotlighting rabbits and foxes out the window, or guys standing in the back.

I do like the little ladders or steps on the side to get in and out.

I'd love a dual cab 70 series diesel commercial Landcruiser. An acquaintance a few years ordered one, it seems a single cab is cut into a dual cab. A$120,000 .... btw his was ready, the dealer could sell it for A$150,000. Out of my price league ... How do farm lads afford it?

That would buy several safaris !!!

If I had one though I'd look at a frame and a full length roof rack. Though the b0cargo tray would be very handy. Trips and even more so farm use. A full roof rack would mean no standing in the back. Unless a hatch was cut in it.

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      #380276 - 23/10/23 04:35 PM

The Best Off-Road Truck Isn’t Found in the U.S.
Safari trucks based on the Toyota Land Cruiser 79 are the most capable off-road rigs on the planet

BY JOHN B. SNOW | PUBLISHED AUG 24, 2021 12:30 PM EDT



The Toyota Land Cruiser is the iconic safari truck in Africa and is among the most capable off-road trucks on earth. Justin Moore
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When it comes to arguing about the best off-road truck there are a lot of contenders. In my mind, however, there’s no real competition for the title. The customized safari rigs—based on the Toyota Land Cruiser 79—that professional guides in Africa use for their clients have a set of features and capabilities that no other vehicle duplicates.

Qualities of the Best Off-Road Truck
What earns these rigs the top spot? For starters, they actually spend the majority of their time off-road. These are not pampered garage queens or casual weekend rock-crawlers. On a daily basis, these trucks have to tackle mud, hills, rocks, sand, water and brush that is thicker, thornier, and nastier than anything we see in North America. And what other vehicle needs to be able to hightail it across the veld with an angry elephant in pursuit?



The replacement front bumper is made of steel to protect the chassis from stumps, rocks and animals, and incorporates a winch and LED light bar. Justin Moore
Everything on these trucks is hardened for tough use and survivability. But unlike pure off-road vehicles like UTVs and other four-wheelers, they are road capable. The guides who rely on them road trip from one part of Africa to the next for work, so the trucks can handle long hours on pavement.

I’ve spent many hours and days riding in safari trucks over the years. Not only can they crawl across axle-breaking ground, but can do it with a Cape buffalo loaded in the back. And should you want to take a break and enjoy a luxurious meal, they do that too. About the only thing you can knock them for is not being used in the snow and cold. That’s a valid point. But even so, they’re still the best off-road truck.



The steel hunting cage includes brackets for two spare tires, which are required frequently thanks to the thorns and stones that are encountered regularly on safari. Guid Rob Lurie prefers to run standard width 14-ply tires for their durability. John B. Snow
Best Off-Road Truck Features
My friend Rob Lurie, a hunting guide from Zimbabwe, owns the truck pictured above. He’s been in the safari industry for more that 25 years and has worked the kinks out of his builds. He goes through a truck every five years or so and at this point is making only small modifications to his design.

Base truck: Toyota Land Cruiser 79 single-cab pickup. “This is the landmark safari vehicle of Africa,” Lurie says. “It can carry about 1.5 tons of load and has 4-wheel drive with differential locks on the front and the back. It comes with modern features like power steering and air conditioning but is still pretty simple.”
Motor and Transmission: “Mine’s a 4.5-liter V-8 diesel with a single turbo charger and 5-speed manual transmission. It’s the same engine that’s in the 200-series Land Cruiser, which is similar to the Sequoia that you have the in States and that has the twin turbos. The 4.2-liter straight six diesel is more common in Africa, but I like the V-8.”
Fuel: Dual 90-liter tanks for 180 liters of diesel, which translates to 47.5 gallons of fuel. In stock configuration, the truck gets about 19 mpg. With the mods and extra weight, expect that to drop significantly, but even at 16 mpg this safari rig will have a cruising range of more than 700 miles. For perspective, if you started driving the truck from New York City, you could probably get to Indianapolis before stopping for gas.

Base cost: $70,000. “It is built in South Africa but we pay a 65 percent duty tax to the government to import the vehicle, so that’s what really pumps the price up high.”



Rob Lurie keeps his truck well-equipped with essentials, like this tea-box for brewing tea and coffee in the bush. John B. Snow
Add-Ons and Modifications
Front bumper. Gets replaced with a heavy-duty brush bar that incorporates LED lights and a 12,000-pound Warne winch. “Driving through the bush you have to worry about stumps and animals and the winch is useful in a lot of areas for getting us out of the mud and sand and gullies,” Lurie says.
Mesh seed catcher. “That stops the grass seeds from going into the radiators. It’s pretty important early in the year and when it rains a lot and the grass is high,” he says.
Rear bumper. “We replace it with a heavy-duty bumper that we can use our hi-lift jacks on to jack up the vehicle when we either get stuck or have flat tires,” he says. “Also it is a stepping bar for guys to get in and out of the truck.”
Tires. “I hunt with standard 7.50R16 14-ply tires as we’re in a lot of gravel, sharp stones, and rocks,” he says. “I find the wider, nicer-looking off-road tires get damaged a lot more so I hunt with standard-width tires that are narrower but much tougher.”
Air compressor.
Suspension. “With the extra weight we put on the vehicle we have to upgrade the suspension. I put EFS heavy-duty leaf springs on the back and heavy-duty coil springs up front with heavy-duty shocks all around,” he says. “I also have greaseable shackles for the spring hangers on back and every year I change out the shackle and spring bushings. They take a lot of flack from the dust and move around a lot.”
Hunting platform. “There are a whole lot of different designs. Mine has a gun rack that holds three guns and a hunting seat behind the cab that can seat three people and is removable for when we’re loading big animals. It also has brackets on either side to hold two spare wheels and keep them out of the way,” Lurie says. “There’s also a roof rack with a basket above the cab that can hold jackets, cameras, and other bits and pieces.”
Side steps. Two sets of rungs on either side to help hunters climb in and out of the truck.
Rhino lining. Protects the steel work in the back tray of the vehicle from blood, salt, scratches, and rust.
Hunting box. “It has axes, ropes, pulleys, spare tubes for the tires, repair kits, my tool kit, shovels and a pick—just a whole plethora of stuff,” Lurie says.
Fridge/Freezer. “I have an Engel 40-liter (10 gallon) fridge/freezer that runs off the 12-volt and keeps our drinks and anything else cold all day. Especially useful in summer when temperatures hit 110 degrees and you go for a walk and come back to a nice cold drink,” Lurie says.
Safari chairs.
Lunch kit. “I have a tea-box with all my equipment for coffee and tea and a lunch box where I keep the bits and pieces for grilling meat in the field, plates and knives and forks and spices,” he says.
Lights. “I added a light bar up front and replaced the cab light with an LED strip that’s much brighter and have some portable lights in case we need to skin out an animal in the dark or if we get stuck in the field,” he says.



Lurie beefs up the suspension on his Land Cruiser with heavy-duty leaf springs and greaseable shackles. Justin Moore
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There you have it, the makings of the best off-road truck on earth. All-in, this configuration will tack another $10,000 on top of the $70,000 base price. That’s a lot of cheddar, but the most painful part isn’t the price tag but rather that the truck isn’t available in the United States since it lacks air bags and other touches our government insists upon.

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I’ve hunted Africa many times over the decades and can guarantee that whenever someone goes on their first hunt, two things will happen. One, that person will start planning their second trip before they leave. And, two, they will want a safari truck of their own. Even after all this time I still crave one. Maybe someday we’ll be able to have the best off-road truck that any of us who have ever been to Africa dream about.

John B. Snow

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Re: The Best Off-Road Truck [Re: NitroX]
      #380277 - 23/10/23 04:37 PM

Funny how they include the tea/"chop" box as part of the Landcruiser.

I'd like to make myself or acquire an old fashioned wooden chop box, cooking gear organised box. But it has to fit in my Landcruiser as well!

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Re: The Best Off-Road Truck [Re: NitroX]
      #380282 - 23/10/23 08:52 PM

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The Best Off-Road Truck Isn’t Found in the U.S.
Safari trucks based on the Toyota Land Cruiser 79 are the most capable off-road rigs on the planet

BY JOHN B. SNOW | PUBLISHED AUG 24, 2021 12:30 PM EDT

https://www.outdoorlife.com/adventure/best-off-road-truck/




I'll call BS on that. Best off road at what? Certainly not the best in mud or for climbing steep hills. Certainly one of the better ones on rocks and just getting around on flattish land.


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      #380290 - 24/10/23 02:04 AM

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The Best Off-Road Truck Isn’t Found in the U.S.
Safari trucks based on the Toyota Land Cruiser 79 are the most capable off-road rigs on the planet

BY JOHN B. SNOW | PUBLISHED AUG 24, 2021 12:30 PM EDT

https://www.outdoorlife.com/adventure/best-off-road-truck/




I'll call BS on that. Best off road at what? Certainly not the best in mud or for climbing steep hills. Certainly one of the better ones on rocks and just getting around on flattish land.




I smell an oily Landrover owner.

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Re: The Best Off-Road Truck [Re: NitroX]
      #380294 - 24/10/23 04:13 AM

Takes clearance to be best in mud, along with much larger, more aggressive tires.
Climbing needs power, as well as clearance and traction.
Short wheel-base is good for climbing over logs, but again, clearance helps, along with a front bumper close to the wheels.
"Off road" in Africa looks very much like some logging roads here, to me with deactivation trenches. Many pickups can navigate those, even my F350 with the short box.

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      #380297 - 24/10/23 08:05 AM

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The Best Off-Road Truck Isn’t Found in the U.S.
Safari trucks based on the Toyota Land Cruiser 79 are the most capable off-road rigs on the planet

BY JOHN B. SNOW | PUBLISHED AUG 24, 2021 12:30 PM EDT

https://www.outdoorlife.com/adventure/best-off-road-truck/




I'll call BS on that. Best off road at what? Certainly not the best in mud or for climbing steep hills. Certainly one of the better ones on rocks and just getting around on flattish land.




I smell an oily Landrover owner.




True and I have cursed some of them many times and one has been the most reliable vehicle going. True.

The Land Cruiser is great for most of the jobs regarding load carrying and the like, they also got it right with coil springs up front and leaf at the rear for load carrying.

When it comes to hill climbing power is not the answer. Look at the Willy's jeep, stuff all power and will climb a slope most other 4WD dream of, same with the Landrover. It, as explained to me by an engineer, is in the entire design of the vehicle. A Landcruiser will fall over sideways well before a Landrover and from memory, the earlier Nissan Patrols. The little Haflinger has stuff all power but will climb and go where most cannot but will turn turtle in 18" of water. Also damned slow on the road, makes an old Landrover Serries 1 look like a speed demon:-)

Two things that the Landcruiser has going for it are reliability and a massive advertising budget. Bit like this article.


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Re: The Best Off-Road Truck [Re: DarylS]
      #380311 - 24/10/23 03:15 PM

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Takes clearance to be best in mud, along with much larger, more aggressive tires.
Climbing needs power, as well as clearance and traction.
Short wheel-base is good for climbing over logs, but again, clearance helps, along with a front bumper close to the wheels.
"Off road" in Africa looks very much like some logging roads here, to me with deactivation trenches. Many pickups can navigate those, even my F350 with the short box.




African driving is not just shitty potholed surfaced roads and corrugated gravel and dusty. Sandy bush tracks, rocky tracks.

It used to include river crossings.

I have an old Michelin map. Whole of continent, maybe Southern half only. It was at the time regarded as the best road map for driving. Believe it or not, even at that scale. The good old days ... Anyway one of the Southern Tanzania/Northern Mozambique border crossings of two North South roads listed a border river crossing as "canoe crossing"! The real good old days!

Back to African driving. In addition to the hunting track driving, off road driving is regularly part of it. Recovering animals. I remember a five or seven km bush track hacked by the blacks through the bush to get to an elephant.

I've never hunted in the high mountains nor the swamps, in Africa at least.

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      #380314 - 24/10/23 07:03 PM

That's not an off road truck.

This is an off road truck:


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      #380316 - 24/10/23 08:43 PM

I was admiring a Landcruiser Series 70 Troopid on the road this afternoon. Converted to have a flat popup roof and lightweight roof rack.

A downside is they are big, a bit awkward parking and city driving.

But as I get olderim thinking having a mobile camper area in the back,inbuilt storage, cabinents each side in the back. A fold downcamp bed with unrolled swag on top on each side. Engel fridge slide on one side. A slide out kitchen slide draw, out the back door, sink, burners etc on the other side. Roll tarp above at the back and side. Pop the top to be able to stand up a bit. 2x long range fuel tanks. 1x large water tank underneath. Weight low down, not in a roof rack where it can roll the vehicle.

If designed well can have a space under the internal floor, for a table and folded chair storage.

I think it works better than a trailer. Towing a trailer used a lot more fuel. Extra tyres to be punctured. Lesser off road capability with a trailer.

Popup tents on a roof rack, and all that crap hanging off a vehicle are a pain in the arse whenever you have to move anywhere.

A camper troopie might be a compromise worth trying. Easy to try one out. Hire a vehicle for a short trip. See how comfortable or not one is living in the back. Once setup and equipped allows very easy and quick getaways with everything in place.

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      #380318 - 24/10/23 08:55 PM




Not a 70 series but my increasingly ancient 80 series diesel commercial sedan.

I always get comments from people "I should never have sold mine.". So I won't be.



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      #380320 - 24/10/23 09:02 PM



This safari vehicle doesn't look bad.

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      #380336 - 25/10/23 09:40 AM

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This safari vehicle doesn't look bad.




What vehicle


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      #380337 - 25/10/23 10:47 PM

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That's not an off road truck.

This is an off road truck:







A local winery owns this one. Here at a 4WD and camping show, recently bought. Not outfitted yet.

I'd love one for my farm. And for camping and trips. An adventure truck. Outfitted with a removable box, crate, camper setup, it would be great as a camper vehicle with good storage for gear.

Reasonable off road capability. Fit it with a winch or two. A little large than an ideal off-road vehicle. Maybe tow behind a smaller jeep like or Suzuki, or even an open ex-mil Landrover for getting around hunting and near trips.

How cool would that be, an Camo Unimog as the base vehicle and a camo open Landrover towed behind as a hunting car.



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      #380338 - 25/10/23 11:02 PM

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Pictures posted of these or other Landcruisers are welcome.

I'll try to get some off the net or personal posted.

I don't see much need for the "back of bakkie" shooting seat and platform here in Australia. We don't havemuchnov chaffeurs/PHs driving us around shooting animals from the vehicle. If we shoot from the vehicle it's usually out the window ... or if spotlighting rabbits and foxes out the window, or guys standing in the back.

I do like the little ladders or steps on the side to get in and out.

I'd love a dual cab 70 series diesel commercial Landcruiser. An acquaintance a few years ordered one, it seems a single cab is cut into a dual cab. A$120,000 .... btw his was ready, the dealer could sell it for A$150,000. Out of my price league ... How do farm lads afford it?

That would buy several safaris !!!

If I had one though I'd look at a frame and a full length roof rack. Though the b0cargo tray would be very handy. Trips and even more so farm use. A full roof rack would mean no standing in the back. Unless a hatch was cut in it.





The 70 series dual cab utes.





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      #380345 - 26/10/23 03:55 AM

Toy truck.

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      #380351 - 26/10/23 09:10 AM

For those who haven't seen what a Mog can do, here's a video by a couple of blokes in N'th Qld.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5VEaSyBQDo

Army drivers would have tackled far worse with little concern or fuss.

I'd love one for the bush, but fuel costs and maintenance would be too much.


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      #380358 - 26/10/23 02:53 PM

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For those who haven't seen what a Mog can do, here's a video by a couple of blokes in N'th Qld.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5VEaSyBQDo

Army drivers would have tackled far worse with little concern or fuss.

I'd love one for the bush, but fuel costs and maintenance would be too much.




Looks like it works very well.

How about their payvideo service $10 per month! "Adventure" but no hunting? Pussies.

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