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Witchcraft in Africa
      #6884 - 13/01/04 01:28 PM

A question - has anyone came across anything of this nature while on safari or travelling in Africa (or elsewhere for that matter) ?

Witchcraft, superstition, strange events?



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Re: Witchcraft in Africa [Re: NitroX]
      #6901 - 13/01/04 05:48 PM

Yep dealt with it in RVN, just learned to never argue with them and went along with it,surpriseing the times they were right

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Re: Witchcraft in Africa [Re: NitroX]
      #6903 - 13/01/04 08:58 PM

Several years ago I was hunting in Selous, near the Rufiji River and to this river I went to shoot a big Hipo. At this point of the river there was a lot of crocs and there're also some villages around the area. Next day after shot the hipo, all the team went to take him out the water and, as we thought, there was several crocs around the meat.
Without taking care of the crocs, a couple of our boys went into the water and I asked why aren't they afraid of crocs. They said that the witch doctor gave them a root which will protect them agains crocs. Ok, I said and they go to the hipo and tied a rope to his leg to pull him out.
Once the hipo out the water I saw a village man without an arm talking with the boys and I asked what happened to his arm. Well, he told me that he had eaten very few root and a croc bite him

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Re: Witchcraft in Africa [Re: NitroX]
      #6912 - 13/01/04 11:49 PM

witchcraft or anything to to with it ,in africa ,aboriginal australia ,south america, Haiti or anywhere ,is NOT ajoke or harmless innocent fun,and is DANGEROUS to put it mildly ,while i have never messed with it directly, have had problems with it, and it is NOT a joke .ouija boards ,crystal balls ,dowsing ,fortune telling ,drugs etc its all bad news ,in south america the indians mix two plants to take them ''up'' with the spirits, who tell them where there is good hunting.someone asked ''who told you which plants to mix '' they said ,oh the spirits.if you are wise ,DONT get involved in any of this ,in ''some african cultural experience '' because it is NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! shamans or witch doctors or whatever ,cures or hunting success, or what ever ,if you do, its at your peril !dont have a BAR of it ,or your life will never be the same again ,i have seen enough bad things ,SO DONT DO IT !!!!!!!

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Re: Witchcraft in Africa [Re: kos]
      #6922 - 14/01/04 11:28 AM

Kos

We are Westeners usually just hear of it or see evidence of it.

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On my first safari to Zim on a drive back to camp one night the PH pulled out a spotlight to see if we could spot some hyaena. Viv Bristow was doing live game capture on Chipisi (the property near West Nicholson now gone to Warvet scum) and wanted a dead hyaena to freeze and ship to Kenya for use a a prop in a movie.

Anyway I didn't know any of this yet and we spotted a couple of hyaena and I was urged to "shoot, shoot!"

I took a shot just as the hyaena was crossing out of the light to the side of the road and missed it.

I really didn't want to shoot a hyaena and there was no fucking way I was going to pay for one either. So didn't mind missing it. A lot of these guys all they think of is dollars and all clients are "loaded with them".

Anyway he then tells me Bristow was going to pay US$100 for the carcase, which if I hit it, I'm sure I would never have been told.

He then said, Oit would have been interesting to see which of the men would have handled the hyaena". Judea, his tracker he said "would pick up the hyaena, but which of the others would. Would the Christian pick up a hyaena?"

(I had had a conversation with George, the game scout at Chipisi, and he had said he was a Christian and had been educated at a Christian school. Later when the PH talked to him, he also found out George had served under the PH's father, a general, in a post-black government militia (one to help reconstruct the country).

Anyway the PH told me the blacks think hyaena are spirits or witches and move in the night, and will not touch them due to superstition.

This gave me a good excuse for "missing" the hyaena. It was not a hyaena at all, but a spirit and the bullet passed through its "flesh" as if through smoke.


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Re: Witchcraft in Africa [Re: NitroX]
      #6923 - 14/01/04 11:32 AM

A friend of mine from NZ had visited a witch doctor ona lark. He and his friends had their fortunes told and surprisingly the results after were quite accurate.


Then there is modern day news reports often from Uganda, where even to this day, a 13 year old girl prophet, gives her followers (army) magic to allow bullets to bounce off their bare skins.

I suppose if you smoke enough of their wicked weed, dagga, you will believe anything.

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Any other experiences, stories, from anyone?



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Re: Witchcraft in Africa [Re: NitroX]
      #6932 - 14/01/04 04:26 PM

I have run into the belief in the 3 countries I've hunted, so it must be pretty wide spread that:

vutures find the dead game from dreaming about it the night before

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Re: Witchcraft in Africa [Re: Will]
      #6940 - 14/01/04 06:10 PM

I grew up here in RSA with all this shit.It's all bogus!!!
Ask them to make you win the lottery or the jackpot at the casino.Alot of the black nations in Africa has these types of beliefs and we have Zulu,SeSotho,Northern Sotho,Pedi,Xosa,Venda,Tswana and Bushmen(San) in South-Africa alone.All these nations with different beliefs.
The bushmen have a "poison mixture" wich they have to drink to kill themselves if they have done something dreadfull in the eyes of the tribe or group or family.They then go to sleep and the next morning they are dead in their bed.Not painfull or anything,you die in your sleep and that is your punishment.The interesting part is that this "poison" was analized and tested by Docters and professors at the University of Potchefstroom in South-Africa and they found that it was totally harmLESS!!!!!!If you understand the black people way of thinking and living here in Africa you'll understand their minds is a lot stronger than their hearts or bodies.
If a witchdocter casts a spell for e.g a man to die in the bush by the lion, he will go into bush to look for the bloody thing!!!!!Their minds make them sick and their minds heal them as well.


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Re: Witchcraft in Africa [Re: Bigfive]
      #6942 - 14/01/04 08:21 PM

We had a Kadicha man (sp?) turn up in Katherine last year, The local Aboriginal population went real quiet. The witch doctor was sent to put a curse on a fella. It was interesting to see the difference that came over the locals.

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Re: Witchcraft in Africa [Re: Bigfive]
      #6943 - 14/01/04 08:54 PM

Aboriginies in Australia have similar beliefs.

One is called 'pointing the bone'. If a Aborigine points a bone at another in order to put a curse on him, the other will believe he is doomed and will die. At least among traditional Aborigines. The modern ones are probably too pissed to believe anything.

A practical application. A relative of mine was living in Port Moresby in Papua New Guinea. He was continually being broken into by "rascals" (local criminal gangs) but after he visited a witch doctor and placed a charm on his verandah, it stopped.



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Re: Witchcraft in Africa [Re: NitroX]
      #6946 - 14/01/04 09:19 PM

With the ZuluPeople there is 3 different healers.

Nyanga-Docter
Sangoma-Traditional Docter
Nganga-Witchdocter

Last year year or the year before there was a south-African movie launched all over the world.It is a comedy with local and american actors.It is a comedy but it will give you an idea of a sangoma/nganga.
The name of the movie is Mr.Bones.
See if can get hold of it.Any person who likes africa will enjoy this movie.

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Re: Witchcraft in Africa [Re: Bigfive]
      #6950 - 14/01/04 10:49 PM

We all know it is bullshit, but it is interesting relating the stories.

But most are subjected to BS beliefs, such as black cats crossing your path being unlucky, and walking under a ladder, etc.

The same could be said about more traditional beliefs, but I won't!



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Re: Witchcraft in Africa [Re: Will]
      #6952 - 14/01/04 11:15 PM

I'll get to one of the witchdoctors here and ask them to cast a spell so all my friends here at Nitroexpress can hunt buffalo and lion with me next year!!!!

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Re: Witchcraft in Africa [Re: NitroX]
      #6959 - 15/01/04 01:02 AM

Witchcraft,superstition,black magic and the whole lot are prevalent in the sub-continent,so much so that there are people who advertise their ability to get things done through magic and unfortunately a lot of people believe them.Nevertheless it does exist although i have yet to experience it.I think even Jim Corbett mentioned it in one of his books.

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Re: Witchcraft in Africa [Re: iqbal]
      #6990 - 16/01/04 12:32 AM

I lived in Malaysia as a kid and Chinese friends of ours had a mango tree in their front yard. Jannet and Paul were both uni teachers. Under that tree was a large pot painted black with yellow spots, and they never had a peice of fruit stolen. That pot was BAD JUJU
There was also a burglar getting around, now this bloke was magic and turned himself into a shadow. The only way to catch him was to hit the shadow with a solid length of cane (I kid you not)then he turned into a person and couldn't move. Now to combat this Malay shadow, Jannet gave mom some pig skin to hang on the doors (he's Islamic see)and we never got robbed, of course bars on the windows and doors helped to

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Re: Witchcraft in Africa [Re: Bakes]
      #7701 - 29/01/04 09:30 AM

I have seen it many times..

One instance in RSA in 1995 wherein a witchdoctor purchased a 12 year old boy, cut his throat, butchered him, made jerky, ground the jerky up into powder and sold little bottles of junior to the old men in the villages to make them potent...I saw him hang for his crime, if it can be called a crime, to him and those involved it was not....Only to us was it a crime...Makes one wonder who is right and who is wrong...All things are relevent.

I witnessed a witchdoctor circumsize some maidens some years back. I have seen many medicines for sale concocted from human parts and I know of cannabalism which is more common than many think...Newborn children borned feet first or fed to the Hyenas as is grandma when she is too old to be of any use and they invented a new meaning to the term wife swapping....We can make them politicians, and head of the UN or whatever but when they come home to Africa, she takes them back...They can turn the mildest of camp staff into cold blooded killers with a few beads, ashes and words....

Africa is still in the bush, hope it never changes.

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Re: Witchcraft in Africa [Re: NitroX]
      #7962 - 31/01/04 06:47 PM

A few years back I was having some horrible luck hunting Nyala in Zululand. After a couple days of this, our tracker told my P.H. that we should come to his village and have his local Witch Doctor take the curse off me and my rifle. We went, and after an exchange of a few dollars, he worked his "magic", chanting and rubbing the leaves of some local tree on me and my rifle. The next day an hour or so after sunrise I shot an Nyala that was pushing 30". When in Rome...

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Re: Witchcraft in Africa [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #7990 - 01/02/04 10:11 AM

Not Africa and not witchcraft but just weird.

I've been in a car travelling at 100 kph on a highway and had small fireballs hit the side of the car. Leaving no burn marks and did not ignite any of the tinder dry grass on the side of the road. No evidence of them at all. Never saw them anywhere else except hitting the side of the car.

Another time staying in a tent on a very rainy night we had a very dim light, humming softly, circle half the tent at a slow moving hover about a foot off the ground. And no one else was around for miles.

As I said weird.


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Re: Witchcraft in Africa [Re: NitroX]
      #7999 - 01/02/04 01:08 PM

people can say this is bullshit until the cows come home,typical egotisitical know alls,or wankers as they are colloquilly refered to, my brother who doesnt believe in any of this, changed his mind when he saw min min lights out west,i have seen min min lights and other weird things and cannot sleep now ,without ,the light on for fear of being woken up by evil ''things'' there is an definately non benign intelligence behind it ,that likes to play tricks on ''dumb'' ,'gullible human beings .iam sick and tired of upstart dickheads, trying to tell me about things they know NOTHING ABOUT !!!!!!

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Re: Witchcraft in Africa [Re: kos]
      #8004 - 01/02/04 02:00 PM

My wifes uncle woudn't go near his mother-in-laws house. He stayed in one of the bed rooms one summer and the room got freezing cold. The room didn't have aircon either. He's also seen the min min lights.

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Re: Witchcraft in Africa [Re: NitroX]
      #8007 - 01/02/04 02:45 PM

No idea what it could have been in your first paragraph, but the second one sounds like St. Elmo's fire.

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Re: Witchcraft in Africa [Re: kos]
      #8031 - 02/02/04 04:47 AM

What the heck are min min lights?

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Re: Witchcraft in Africa [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #8035 - 02/02/04 05:45 AM

In the West Texas town of Marfa, Texas where I grew up one could see the Marfa lights on any clear night, all maner of scientest have been there, no one can get to them...

I have seen the fireballs, follow the fence line and they will stop when you stop the car and start when you start moving, very weird, but it is static electricity on a muggy rainy day that causes this...

I have seen St. Elmos fire on the horns of penned cattle caused by a close lightening strike, very impressive as their horn tips light up and the lightening spreads from horn tip to horn tip...

Come to think of it one can see a lot of mistique things in 70 years if he doesn't spend too much time indoors....Most have a logical reason behind them I suppose...

One thing that has mystified me over the years is the bush telegraph in Africa...

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Re: Witchcraft in Africa [Re: atkinson6]
      #125907 - 05/02/09 08:18 PM

I have seen this many of times in Africa and even in new orleans hati and south america I know one thing is for sure i dont know much about it but i dont dabble not even a toe nail into it as far as africa i have been thought to be a witch doctor by locals of a few villages isnt a fun experience but also to those who dont believe i leave this with you just because as of right now it cant be proven doesnt mean it isnt real

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Re: Witchcraft in Africa [Re: thorshammer]
      #125920 - 05/02/09 10:24 PM

Witchcraft,superstition,black magic, Im do not belive because it gives me bad luck. LOL

Seriously, there are many strange things you can not explain.
I belive theres some magic in life, some times good some times bad.

We have our "luz mala" (bad light). Gauchos belived that the lights they saw at night were spirits.

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