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pacecars
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So ugly it is pretty
      #339220 - 20/03/20 03:12 PM

I remember sitting in front of the fire on cold winter days when I was young and looking through my favorite gun catalogs. I had the old fold out Ruger catalog with the beautiful Ruger No 1, the shiny Weatherby catalog with the MKVs and the Colt catalog with the Colt Sauer 90 with gorgeous wood and super slick bolt but my favorite one of all was the Catalog from Steyr-Daimler Puch. It has beautiful wood stocks with fancy carvings and fish scale “checkering” and deeply engraved receivers but the one rifle that was my favorite and the one I wanted more than any other gun, the one gun that I thought epitomized the perfect hunting gun was the green stocked Model M Professional in .30-06. I knew I could hunt the world with that one gun and be happy for the rest of my life (pretty smart for an 8 year old huh?). It took me a long time before I finally owned one. I first bought an MIII .270 that shot under a 1/4” repeatedly with cheap ammo but it just wasn’t the same and I sold it, I then got a MIII in .30-06 and it too was accurate but still not quite right. Next up I got a black stocked M Professional with sights in .270 but still I was not satisfied. More MIIIs followed and another M Pro with a brown stock but something was still missing. I loved the way the stock fit me especially for offhand shooting. Looking through several websites the other day I came across this ugly duckling and figured out what had been missing. That damn ugly green stock. This one feels like it may just stick around

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Ash
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Re: So ugly it is pretty [Re: pacecars]
      #339223 - 20/03/20 04:58 PM

I really like how it looks.

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yumastepside
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Re: So ugly it is pretty [Re: Ash]
      #339224 - 20/03/20 06:24 PM

I always had a thing for the OD Green SSG 69, probably watched too much "Lone Wolf McQuade " as a kid!.....and an adult!





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Edited by yumastepside (20/03/20 06:33 PM)

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Louis
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Re: So ugly it is pretty [Re: Ash]
      #339225 - 20/03/20 06:26 PM

Nice technical rifle; we all - at least for those above 50, recall the by-gone era without internet when we could spend hours browsing and dreaming through the same catalogs!
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500Boswell
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Re: So ugly it is pretty [Re: Louis]
      #339232 - 21/03/20 08:25 AM

Had one of those years ago 30-06 Professional ,pity there was so much plastic on it ,stock broke through the wrist like a matchstick [cyclolac stock ] then replaced the stock and off loaded it.

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pacecars
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Re: So ugly it is pretty [Re: 500Boswell]
      #339248 - 22/03/20 01:57 AM

My “Holy Grail”!is the same rifle in 9.3x62mm from the factory. I have only seen one and it had a Mannlicher branded 2x7 scope on it. It was a black stock version and priced a little to high for me at the time. I still should have bought it. I do believe the Professional was the first factory sported with a plastic stock.

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DarylS
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Re: So ugly it is pretty [Re: pacecars]
      #339249 - 22/03/20 04:15 AM

Pacecars, I agree wholoeheartedly with the first 1/2 of your post title, not the second.
Black stocks, OK, camo stocks, well, OK, pee soup green stocks not so much.
I do like split pee soup, though, with just a touch of vinegar - sweetens it up.

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pacecars
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Re: So ugly it is pretty [Re: DarylS]
      #339255 - 22/03/20 07:38 AM

I have painted a few of the black ones with the spider web paint

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Re: So ugly it is pretty [Re: pacecars]
      #339257 - 22/03/20 08:22 AM

I believe the term "only a Mother would love it" springs readily to mind - but hey if we all like the same things then it would be a very boring old world!
I'd prefer 'functional'!
I hope yours doesn't go the way of Bos's, shame about the stock - I always thought those 'plastic' stock were virtually unbreakable.....but obviously not so!

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500Boswell
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Re: So ugly it is pretty [Re: 93x64mm]
      #339263 - 22/03/20 10:52 AM

Basically a good rifle ,but let down by a weak stock, the plastic mag and trigger guard ,in Steyr's obsession with cost cutting, it wasnt a cheap rifle at the time i bought it .

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Re: So ugly it is pretty [Re: 500Boswell]
      #339279 - 23/03/20 05:33 AM

Friend of mine had a custom made .35 Whelen on a M98 with handlaid fiberglass stock. I had to re-bed the stock for him to get it to shoot
his demanded sub 1" @ 100 meters.
His horse lay down on it on a hunting trip, breaking the stock through the wrist, but didn't bend the barrel nor hurt the Leupold scope.
I restocked it for him with a Boydboys laminated stock & bedded that one.
The weight was increased and turned a hard kicking gun into a pleasant one to shoot. It also looked better.

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pacecars
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Re: So ugly it is pretty [Re: DarylS]
      #339298 - 23/03/20 01:28 PM

I had thought about having the stock duplicated in a laminate on previous ones but that would make it rather heavy

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Re: So ugly it is pretty [Re: pacecars]
      #339301 - 23/03/20 04:45 PM

Yes - all that epoxy adds weight - normally. Much depends on the # of laminations, ie: how thick they are. If 1/16" thick, that's a lot more glue than 1/8" or 3/16" thick lams.

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Re: So ugly it is pretty [Re: DarylS]
      #339311 - 24/03/20 03:42 AM

If I remember McMillan had a ssg 69 stock on offer many years ago. Maybe they still got the pattern mould.

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pacecars
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Re: So ugly it is pretty [Re: Yochanan]
      #339325 - 24/03/20 10:18 AM

The SSG is a short action though

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Re: So ugly it is pretty [Re: pacecars]
      #339782 - 05/04/20 09:11 AM

Just bought a Kahles Helia 6x42S to put on it

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Re: So ugly it is pretty [Re: pacecars]
      #339792 - 05/04/20 11:10 AM

Quote:

I remember sitting in front of the fire on cold winter days when I was young and looking through my favorite gun catalogs. I had the old fold out Ruger catalog with the beautiful Ruger No 1, the shiny Weatherby catalog with the MKVs and the Colt catalog with the Colt Sauer 90 with gorgeous wood and super slick bolt but my favorite one of all was the Catalog from Steyr-Daimler Puch. It has beautiful wood stocks with fancy carvings and fish scale “checkering” and deeply engraved receivers but the one rifle that was my favorite and the one I wanted more than any other gun, the one gun that I thought epitomized the perfect hunting gun was the green stocked Model M Professional in .30-06. I knew I could hunt the world with that one gun and be happy for the rest of my life (pretty smart for an 8 year old huh?). It took me a long time before I finally owned one. I first bought an MIII .270 that shot under a 1/4” repeatedly with cheap ammo but it just wasn’t the same and I sold it, I then got a MIII in .30-06 and it too was accurate but still not quite right. Next up I got a black stocked M Professional with sights in .270 but still I was not satisfied. More MIIIs followed and another M Pro with a brown stock but something was still missing. I loved the way the stock fit me especially for offhand shooting. Looking through several websites the other day I came across this ugly duckling and figured out what had been missing. That damn ugly green stock. This one feels like it may just stick around




I don't mind them.

One of our members here, Orion, used to have one, and brought one to a shoot many years ago. He also had a modern Mannlicher stutzen with a plastic stock in .222 Rem.

Ugly but has that Germanic/Austrian look to it.

If the stock is OK, a useful all weather rifle.

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Re: So ugly it is pretty [Re: NitroX]
      #339794 - 05/04/20 11:19 AM

Just picked up a Kahles Helia S 6x42 with a 4a reticle. The Redfield just doesn’t look right. I may have the perfect all around rifle.

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rpeck



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Re: So ugly it is pretty [Re: pacecars]
      #340820 - 06/05/20 09:50 PM

Although most of my rifles are European fullstocks ("Mannlicher-style") of various kinds, all with great wood, I never thought the Steyr-Mannlicher Model M Professional was ugly. I think its a great looking rifle. So far, I have owned two, both in 30-06, both with green stocks, both with DST (I have double set triggers on a lot of my other rifles, so I am used to them.)

When I lived on the Canadian Wet Coast I shot my best Blacktail buck in the pouring rain with a Steyr-Mannlicher Model M Professional in 30-06...a quick offhand shot using open sights. And I used that same rifle to shoot my biggest B.C. bear. Another fast offhand shot, but with a 4X scope. The rifle has great ergonomics for off-hand shooting although a bit painful to shoot at the bench. With that tight radius pistol grip, the trigger guard can really snap back onto your middle finger. I sold it because I broke a few magazines. (They don't usually break when empty, but when full and heavy they can break if dropped. They break right on the edges where the screws are.)...and the soft screws on the Q-D mounts are irritating. The heads are easily messed up and are an odd metric size that is hard to replace. Years later I regretted selling it and found its twin at a Nova Scotia gun show...right down to the Leupold 4X. And today (yes, right now) I'm waiting on the delivery of another one. It might be here today. DST, factory QD rings (but also with a set of Talley bases) and a black stock.

Edited by rpeck (07/05/20 03:07 AM)

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Re: So ugly it is pretty [Re: rpeck]
      #340847 - 07/05/20 02:18 PM

I had that problem with the soft screws too ,was annoying, thing about plastic ,inevitably its going to break ,i had a Steyr M72 full stock was a beautiful rifle ,first time i went to load the mag, the follower disintegrated ,there was no way you could repair it ,had to be replaced, luckily replacements are available[at the moment ] ,should have been made of steel to begin with .somebody at Steyr needs their head looked at .

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Re: So ugly it is pretty [Re: 500Boswell]
      #340872 - 08/05/20 08:56 AM

Now Steyr plastic magazines are the ducks nuts. That is the AUG ones. Throw one on the cement footpath jump up and down on it, load it and go shoot something. They can take punishment that will very quickly wreck a steel mag. Now if only this would become the norm and other manufacturers use the same polymers.

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rpeck



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Re: So ugly it is pretty [Re: Rule303]
      #340910 - 10/05/20 02:58 AM

re: plastic gun parts

In my experience the worst bit of plastic on a rifle was the plastic bottom of the Brno .22 steel magazines. The Brno .22 was one of the firearms of choice in Western Canada for summer shooting of gophers (Richardsons Ground Squirrel)...and Muskol was a good strong insect repellent of choice, necessary because of the clouds of mosquitos. So after successive applications, the mosquito repellent tended to accumulate in the palm of your hand...and when changing magazines with the same palm of your hand...after a time, the plastic would just suddenly disintegrate , releasing spring and ammo into the field somewhere. It wasn't so bad when those mags were cheap, but they aren't anymore. I note that the mags on the new CZ rifles are all plastic.

Edited by rpeck (10/05/20 03:01 AM)

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rpeck



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Re: So ugly it is pretty [Re: rpeck]
      #340928 - 10/05/20 06:35 AM

re: Steyr plastic stocks.

I have seen a few Steyr-Mannlicher Model M Pro plastic stocks that were cracked, but I have also seen a lot of walnut stocks similarly shattered beyond repair...Stop driving over your rifles!




Edited by rpeck (12/05/20 01:20 AM)

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rpeck



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new S-M Pro [Re: rpeck]
      #341015 - 12/05/20 01:29 AM

A "new" S-M Pro came yesterday in the mail. (Sunday mail delivery...Who knew?). A minty excellent condition 30-06 made April, 1986. DST. It came with a spare magazine in new condition, a set of Steyr Q-D 1 in. scope mounts in the factory box, Talley bases and various original factory manuals, the original test target (3-shot half-inch group)and warranty card, etc. It was a one-owner rifle. I put an older 30mm Zeiss Duralyt (4A reticle) on it in Talley QD rings, and it still only weighs 8.5 lb. So not too light and not too heavy. Very well balanced for off hand shooting.





Edited by rpeck (13/05/20 10:54 PM)

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Louis
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Re: new S-M Pro [Re: rpeck]
      #341016 - 12/05/20 01:54 AM

Very nice; a true working rifle!
Can you still find easily spare magazines, either new from the maker, or second hand in Canada or internationally?
Louis

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