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kaizer2007
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7.62x39 vs .243Win.?
      #166993 - 30/08/10 02:43 AM

Hi all.
Your opinion whether decides SKS 7.62x39 tasks cal..243Win. on distances 100m.-300 m.?

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Schauckis
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Re: 7.62x39 vs .243Win.? [Re: kaizer2007]
      #166994 - 30/08/10 03:02 AM

Interesting question.
In Finland, neither is very commonplace as hunting caliber although of course since the 7,62x39 is the military caliber, it's common enough.
I know of some who use the 7,62 for bird hunting, but it's not very flat shooting and thus not the best suited for the purpose. The same goes for the old 7x33mm Sako which is now very rare.
More often the .308 or 6,5x55 is used.
For distances over 100m I see no benefit in choosing the 7,62mm.
I'm of the same opinion even if a bit bigger game is to be shot. However, if you intend to shoot game bigger than whitetail deer, I'd recommend a bigger caliber.
The .243 is very flat shooting and accurate, indeed. The recoil is surprisingly sharp, though.
Come to think of it, I really don't see much benefit at all in any hunting to use the 7,62x39. If you wish to have a caliber with good ammo availability and cheap ammo, why not look at the flexible 7,62x53R? That should be common enough in Ukraine!
What do you intend to hunt?
I'd be interested in hunting in Ukraine, what do you typically hunt there? I know that in the Western parts where there are forests and high hills, big game like wild boar is available.

- Lars/Finland

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kaizer2007
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Re: 7.62x39 vs .243Win.? [Re: Schauckis]
      #166996 - 30/08/10 04:02 AM

Quote:

Interesting question.
In Finland, neither is very commonplace as hunting caliber although of course since the 7,62x39 is the military caliber, it's common enough.
I know of some who use the 7,62 for bird hunting, but it's not very flat shooting and thus not the best suited for the purpose. The same goes for the old 7x33mm Sako which is now very rare.
More often the .308 or 6,5x55 is used.
For distances over 100m I see no benefit in choosing the 7,62mm.
I'm of the same opinion even if a bit bigger game is to be shot. However, if you intend to shoot game bigger than whitetail deer, I'd recommend a bigger caliber.
The .243 is very flat shooting and accurate, indeed. The recoil is surprisingly sharp, though.
Come to think of it, I really don't see much benefit at all in any hunting to use the 7,62x39. If you wish to have a caliber with good ammo availability and cheap ammo, why not look at the flexible 7,62x53R? That should be common enough in Ukraine!
What do you intend to hunt?
I'd be interested in hunting in Ukraine, what do you typically hunt there? I know that in the Western parts where there are forests and high hills, big game like wild boar is available.

- Lars/Finland


Hi.
Wild boar,wolf,fox,deer.
OK.
Ballistics .243Win. a bit worse than ballistics 7.62x54R-fact.

On what distance .243Win. 7.62x39 will recover (100m.-200m.-300m.)?
Absolute decline of these calibers on distance 200 meters practically identically.
Energiya higher at 7.62x39.
P.S.
1.In all of situations we examine a standard bullet for SKS 123gr.-124gr. and 100gr.-110gr. for .243Win..
2."Accuracy? Hunting? Plinking?"-complete comparison.

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xausa
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Re: 7.62x39 vs .243Win.? [Re: kaizer2007]
      #166998 - 30/08/10 04:49 AM

The minimum caliber I would recommend for the various kinds of game you want to hunt would be .260 Remington, 6.5X55, or 6.5X57. Any of those calibers would do the job and the deciding factor would be the availability of ammunition and the cost. The .260 is simply a .243 with a larger diameter and heavier bullet and the performance is virtually identical to the other two mentioned.

S&B lists only one bullet weight for the 6.5X57, but three for the 6.5X55. However, if you take one further step, there are four bullet weights to choose from in caliber 7X57, which would be my recommendation.

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GroovyMike
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Re: 7.62x39 vs .243Win.? [Re: xausa]
      #167023 - 30/08/10 10:10 PM

I have no experience with teh 243, but I can tell you that 7.62x39 is a fun little cartridge for plinking and perfectly suited for deer out to 150 yards.

I have killed pigs with it, but would not attempt to drop a big bore beyond 150 yards. The cartridge just doesn't have enough power to penetrate big shoulders beyond that distance. I probably would not even shoot at deer any farther than that.

It works very well for deer within 100 yards.

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kaizer2007
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Re: 7.62x39 vs .243Win.? [Re: GroovyMike]
      #167046 - 31/08/10 04:22 PM

Hi friends.
A question is based on a desire to fill a niche between calibers 7.62x39 and 30-06.
In relation to application of this caliber - I search most "universal"
CXP1,CXP2-on long and middle distances and CXP3 on short distances.

Edited by kaizer2007 (31/08/10 04:24 PM)

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Schauckis
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Re: 7.62x39 vs .243Win.? [Re: kaizer2007]
      #167066 - 01/09/10 01:18 AM

OK - .30-06 = 7,62x63mm
Pretty much the "niche" inbetween that and the 7,62x39 is the .308 = 7,62x51....
Kidding.

I think that with that in mind, the .243 is the wrong choice. It is good for long distange and light game (fox, deer) but since the bullet diameter is small and the bullet is light, it is not between the .30-06 and 7,62x39.
A more suitable option the would be the 7x57mm or 6,5x55. The 6,5x55 excels also on long shooting distances.
There is good ammunition available for both, and they have taken their fair share of fairly large game, too. I would use neither for big boars at close range, however!
But still I don't think they beat the .30-06 with your criteria!
Fox and deer - the .243 is OK. Maybe wolf, too? But not for boar, it's too light. Given the option of those two I would choose the 7,62x39.
Accuracy and plinking - both your choices are good. For plinking the lower-recoil 7,62x39 with cheap ammunition available would be my choice.
Accuracy - depends more on the rifle than the caliber. I think no difference in real life.
Hunting - I have a hard time seeing the 7,62x39 as a hunting caliber much at all, but for your purposs I would prefer it over the .243 (which is an excellent cartridge!).

- Lars/Finland

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GroovyMike
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Re: 7.62x39 vs .243Win.? [Re: Schauckis]
      #167072 - 01/09/10 02:01 AM

nothing wrong with the 308 or the 270....

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Re: 7.62x39 vs .243Win.? [Re: GroovyMike]
      #168084 - 20/09/10 10:45 PM

Please don't discount the 243 too lightly, on medium game and assuming the right bullets it's lethal out to 300 meters.
Understand our European cousins having some issues, having seen some of their boars I can understand the apprehension. More to do with the style of hunting (moving game normally) than other reasons.

In the semi-auto legal days here in Aus, the 7.62x39 had obviously gotten really popular. I saw it in action on many occasions and worked well with commercial ammo (bloody disaster with FMJ's). With commercial ammo out to 100m it worked well and was quite emphatic on medium game, normally pigs, goats and the like. When range extended, say 150m - 200m it started to become anaemic.

The 243 on the other hand, on similar game is quite emphatic out to 300 meters.

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