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TilleyMan
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Savage 219
      #163287 - 03/07/10 04:43 PM

Looking for more information about the Savage 219 break action hammerless single shot rifle.

Though not common in Australia, I have seen a couple recently in .25-20.

While obviously a budget firearm, they seem quite well made and solid in construction.
Trim appearance along the lines of an old British rook rifle

From what I've been able to piece together, they were built on the Savage single shot shotgun action, and were in two(?) shotgun sizes 20g and 12g as well as .22 Hornet, .25-20, .32-20 and .30-30.

Early 219's had a direct striker type integral firing pin, later ones had an internal swinging hammer and rebounding firing pin (like a H&R 1915).

I reckon one of these could be done up quite well... replace the dodgy strap style trigger guard with a NECG shotgun style trigger guard and spend some time smoothing and lapping various action parts incl the trigger. Maybe a timber upgrade...

Obviously the Savage 219 is much more common in the USA... are they worth spending time and effort on

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wjw
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Re: Savage 219 [Re: TilleyMan]
      #163288 - 03/07/10 06:16 PM

TilleyMan

These were made in three versions. The first model with the striker firing system (1938-1948) is to be preferred. The second model with the internal hamer and top lever was followed by a side lever model with a stmped trigger guard. The third version is probably the least desireable. All are cocked by the action of the top or side lever.

Whether they are worth spending time and effort on is a matter of preferance and opinion.

If you can do all or most of the work yourself and the project interests you, a nice rifle can be put together. Have photos of probably the nicest redone 219 by Corpe and Madole copied from the RIA site a couple of years ago. (Am rather challenged when it comes to posting photos - otherwise they would be attached.)

However, one would not come near recouping his costs if he had to hire out most of the work - and he might have problems getting a professional to work on one as most seem to think these are not worth their effort.

Edited by wjw (03/07/10 06:17 PM)

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xausa
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Re: Savage 219 [Re: wjw]
      #163310 - 04/07/10 12:18 AM

My first varmint rifle was a Savage 219 rechambered to (what else?) .219 Zipper. I later had another one in .22 K Hornet. Not a bad investment for the money and the first step which led me to a collection of single shot varmint rifles, built on Winchester High Wall, Stevens 44 1//2, and Sharps Borschardt actions.

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wjw
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Re: Savage 219 [Re: xausa]
      #163393 - 05/07/10 10:07 AM

TilleyMan

If this works the custom Savage 219 photos should be attached. Photos are from the RIA site.

This looks like it might be the second version (1950's) as none of the pre-war striker fired rifles I have seen had the barreels groved for scope mounting.
















Edited by CptCurl (11/07/10 10:05 PM)

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Gordon
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Re: Savage 219 [Re: wjw]
      #163846 - 11/07/10 09:50 PM

Hi TilleyMan,
What caliber were you thinking of building your 219 into, should you find one in Australia?
Good luck with your project.
An open question on the photos. Is the action in the photos left in the white, or is there some type of finish on this rifle?

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Edited by Gordon (11/07/10 09:54 PM)

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wjw
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Re: Savage 219 [Re: Gordon]
      #163876 - 12/07/10 11:15 AM

Gordon

Don't know what the finish is but could be french grey, electroless nickel plated or posibly nitrated.

My best first guess would be french grey.

Bill

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Gordon
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Re: Savage 219 [Re: wjw]
      #164050 - 14/07/10 01:45 PM

Quote:

Gordon

Don't know what the finish is but could be french grey, electroless nickel plated or posibly nitrated.

My best first guess would be french grey.

Bill



Hi Bill,
I had to look up French Gray, and found a lot of information on making French Gray receivers. Pretty neat information. That engraving really jumps out.

Gordon

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CHAPUISARMES
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Re: Savage 219 [Re: Gordon]
      #164054 - 14/07/10 01:59 PM


That's the nicest Savage I have seen, well done to the owner.

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50Calshtr
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Re: Savage 219 [Re: TilleyMan]
      #164186 - 15/07/10 08:07 AM

Good looking rifle,especially considering it's humble origins. Question, has the reciever been trimmed down between the top lever and the barrel face? Seems I remember a step between the barrel and the top of the reciever on these. If so how much "meat" is there between the inner cavity and the top of the reciever to be sure this is a safe mod?
Thanks.

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TilleyMan
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Re: Savage 219 [Re: 50Calshtr]
      #164204 - 15/07/10 01:54 PM

Bill

Sorry for the delay in responding, been travelling interstate... thanks very much for posting those images!

Wow, that is one very impressive 219

Very much along the lines I am hoping to achieve with my own 219.
Bought one of the better .25-20's I encountered, this one supposedly had been "carried more than shot" with good shiny rifling but supposedly some slight pitting above the throat.

Once I can examine it properly, I'll see how bad the throat erosion is... could be a candidate for rechambering to .256 Max (a .256 Win Mag based on the .357 Maximum case) as I have a finishing reamer and NOS Redding dies in this calibre. Will give a significant boost beyond the venerable .25-20 and even the .256 Win Mag... from what I've been able to work out could be close to the old SMLE .303-25 in ballistics from a much more compact case.



I'll have it restocked in a classic British Rook Rifle style... hoping for some 'understated elegance'.

I can do much of the metal work myself, so I'm looking forward to another project rifle... will of course keep NE members regularly updated

Edited by CptCurl (15/07/10 08:23 PM)

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Tom_H
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Re: Savage 219 [Re: TilleyMan]
      #164333 - 16/07/10 10:56 PM

This should put things in perspective.



and



It is the older model with the striker.

One shot is with the 20 ga barrel mounted and the other with the 30-30.

I picked up the rifle with the same idea and found a 20ga barrel to fit.

That nicely done 219 had me inspired to greatness.

Only issues with the striker model revolve around the stamped internals.
I can see that the custom piece has a new trigger. I can only imagine that there are more changes than that inside that gun.
Would be nice with a set trigger as well.

Cheers.

Tom

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Edited by CptCurl (19/07/10 01:04 PM)

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wjw
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Re: Savage 219 [Re: Tom_H]
      #164364 - 17/07/10 09:52 AM

All I have to go on is the photos. Kept them as a guide for re-doing my .30-30/12 Gauge.

I expect that the reciever has most likely been ground true. The scope base, as it is positioned hides the step, or what remains of the step quite well.

The step on my barreled action is not quite as prominent as Toms.

Bill

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