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bonanza
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.303 or .450/.400 Double Rifle?
#169187 - 09/10/10 12:47 AM

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Re: .303 or .450/.400 Double Rifle? [Re: bonanza]
#169190 - 09/10/10 12:56 AM

450/400 just seems more like a "double rifle" cartridge to me. 303 is a bolt gun round. Nothing was given as to intended purpose or the like.

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rigbymauser
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Re: .303 or .450/.400 Double Rifle? [Re: apr1775]
#169192 - 09/10/10 01:27 AM

I voted for the .303. A petit little double in that caliber, and one have history collected in one gun, as for gun and cartridge. The 450/400 maybe a good caliber indeed, but the way I see it, a good double for me from where its gets interesting, is from .577cal and upwards.

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Re: .303 or .450/.400 Double Rifle? [Re: bonanza]
#169194 - 09/10/10 01:29 AM

Gosh, Bonanza! Did you have to start the Marilyn Monroe Vs Grace Kelly debate all over again?

I voted for the 303 - a lovely round and it makes up into a beautiful double rifle.

Good hunting!

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Re: .303 or .450/.400 Double Rifle? [Re: apr1775]
#169195 - 09/10/10 01:30 AM

Two great old rimmed cartridges but the calibers seem so different in purpose. I tend to view doubles as dangerous game rifles or at least needing that capability so I would say .450/400.

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bonanza
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Re: .303 or .450/.400 Double Rifle? [Re: hunter_angler]
#169199 - 09/10/10 02:33 AM

I'm just gathering votes and comments for a project.

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CptCurl
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Re: .303 or .450/.400 Double Rifle? [Re: bonanza]
#169200 - 09/10/10 02:47 AM

I've voted with my pocketbook:

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=122311&an=0&page=2#Post122311

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=149258&an=0&page=2#Post149258

The .303 rocks!

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bonanza
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Re: .303 or .450/.400 Double Rifle? [Re: CptCurl]
#169204 - 09/10/10 04:28 AM

My thinking is if you don't need 4000 ft/lbs of energy, only plan to hunt big game, love a double rifle, and want mild recoil then the .303 is a good choice.

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CptCurl
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Re: .303 or .450/.400 Double Rifle? [Re: bonanza]
#169215 - 09/10/10 08:08 AM

Hey Blair,

Do I get to vote three times? That would help even things up for the .303!

Curl

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Re: .303 or .450/.400 Double Rifle? [Re: CptCurl]
#169236 - 09/10/10 04:52 PM

I already have a .450/400 double. I am about to order a .303 double.

Cheers, sambarstalker

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Omnivorous_Bob
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Re: .303 or .450/.400 Double Rifle? [Re: sambarstalker]
#169238 - 09/10/10 05:43 PM

Curl, those pictures will keep me awake at night.

Very classly and classic!

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Re: .303 or .450/.400 Double Rifle? [Re: Omnivorous_Bob]
#169267 - 10/10/10 01:38 AM

Funny, I voted .303 as well. A nice light double good to about 300 yards absolute max, easy to shoot, no recoil, 215gr. bullet - couldn't really ask for a more appropriate general hunting rifle. If the first shot is right, you don't need any more power than that.

That said, had a choice included a 9.3x74, that's here my vote would have gone.

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apr1775
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Re: .303 or .450/.400 Double Rifle? [Re: DarylS]
#169271 - 10/10/10 02:38 AM

If I'm looking at 300yd shots, I'm thinking bolt action not double. But I wouldn't turn down a chance to shoot Curl's 303 double. A double rifle makes me think about dangerous game; that's why I voted 450/400.

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rigbymauser
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Re: .303 or .450/.400 Double Rifle? [Re: apr1775]
#169272 - 10/10/10 02:53 AM

Thanks for sharing Curl.

The picture below with the Purdey in .303 is about as petit as a .303 ever will become. I saw Champlin Firearms at one time had a .303 Purdey, very similar.

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Rusty
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Re: .303 or .450/.400 Double Rifle? [Re: rigbymauser]
#169312 - 10/10/10 09:24 PM

I own a 450/400 3 inch double rifle. I voted for the 450/400. That being said, if I were to add a double to my collection, I have a 9.3X74R and a 8X57 RJS, it would most likely be a .303 or even a 30-30. Especially, if all you were going to hunt was North American non-dangerous game.

I would have a .303 any day over a .375 Flanged. I think the .375 Flanged is way under powered.

My least favorite double is the 9.3X74R. I do most of my hunting with the 450/400 and 8X57RJS.
Recoil is not an issue with a 10 pound 450/400.

With a new 450/400 you can shoot traditional 400 grain Woodleighs, Hornady DGX & S, Hawk, and 405 Winchester 300 grain bullets.

Just my opine.

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Edited by Rusty (10/10/10 09:26 PM)

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CptCurl
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Re: .303 or .450/.400 Double Rifle? [Re: Rusty]
#169317 - 10/10/10 10:50 PM

I had my Purdey .303 out for a shooting session yesterday. Fabulous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Woodleigh 215's.

Curl

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bonanza
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Re: .303 or .450/.400 Double Rifle? [Re: rigbymauser]
#169320 - 11/10/10 01:51 AM

My Holland and Holland .303 is very petite.

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Re: .303 or .450/.400 Double Rifle? [Re: bonanza]
#169326 - 11/10/10 03:09 AM

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I'm just gathering votes and comments for a project.

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Mate,

It really depends on what you want to use it for?

A .303 would be a great deer and plains game DR.

A .450/400 would be able to hunt them as well, but a heavier, possibly more expensive rifle, and more recoil and possibly more meat damage.

I voted for a .450/400.

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mehulkamdar
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Re: .303 or .450/.400 Double Rifle? [Re: bonanza]
#169395 - 12/10/10 03:32 PM

Some members may not be aware that we have a Facebook page and several members there responded to this thread - I have requested them to post here, but, in the meantime, here are their responses:

1. Baron Radu Von Goldinger ‎.303 is a good caliber bu in a double is bizarre choice! Just get a single shot rifle in that cal and save the double for 450-400! And remember: what a .303 does a .308 does better a 30-06 does harder and a 300 Win Mag does perfect.

2. Asif Ali ‎450-400 double period

3. Tejpal Sawhney no brainer - 450 - 500.

4. Tejpal Sawhney harder hitting, shorter and more manoverable in jungle and high grasses.

Good hunting!

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Paul
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Re: .303 or .450/.400 Double Rifle? [Re: mehulkamdar]
#169404 - 12/10/10 06:14 PM

If I could make one myself, the .303 would be high on my list (though a .577 NfB would be higher). But the .303 is marginal on sambar whereas the .450/.400 is just right and kicks less than the .338.

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Re: .303 or .450/.400 Double Rifle? [Re: Paul]
#169415 - 12/10/10 10:00 PM

303! Asif.

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Re: .303 or .450/.400 Double Rifle? [Re: kamilaroi]
#172085 - 25/11/10 09:28 PM

Just aquired a lovely J. Wilkes in 450/400, it is THE calibre for a dounble IMHO.

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szihn
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Re: .303 or .450/.400 Double Rifle? [Re: BPEBuff]
#172099 - 26/11/10 04:15 AM

I guess it all depends on where you live and/or where you hunt.
I'd have to say that from a practical viewpoint, the 303 would be a better caliber for most Americans. Over 90% of all the "big game kills" made in the USA are deer.
If those 2 were the only choices I was offered, I would go with the 450/400 because elk is the common game here, and we have LOTS of grizzlies too, so I would be better served with the larger caliber. I now have a 9.3X74R in a Ruger and I have to say, I can easily see why that caliber is so well liked in Europe and Africa.

Still.......... a 303 double in a light handy fast rifle would be a real gem.

Dang…………….it sucks not having a lot of money.

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Mike_Bailey
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Re: .303 or .450/.400 Double Rifle? [Re: szihn]
#172102 - 26/11/10 05:52 AM

That .303, whilst a lovely rifle, has no scope attachments. Hell I couldn´t use iron sights at 200 yds, let alone 300 ! For me double rifle has to be .375 (with scope possibilities) and bigger with irons but I wouldn´t use the bigger one on plains game unless I got lucky, rgds Mike

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Snowwolfe
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Re: .303 or .450/.400 Double Rifle? [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#172104 - 26/11/10 05:54 AM

Even though I have a 450/400 on order I vote neither. For big game hunting in NA the 9,3x74R is the perfect big game double.
For Alaska hunting my vote would be the 450/400.

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