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Buying Bismuth shot and shotshells in Aust
      #30458 - 04/05/05 12:21 AM

Does anyone know where to buy reasonably priced 12 g shotshells and shot with Bismuth from?

Thanks.



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Re: Buying Bismuth shot and shotshells in Aust [Re: NitroX]
      #30579 - 05/05/05 07:59 PM

No!





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Re: Buying Bismuth shot and shotshells in Aust [Re: Marrakai]
      #30585 - 05/05/05 10:56 PM

Marrakai

Any info where to get un-reasonably priced bismuth shot and/or shotshells then!

I jut paid $40 - $50 per packet of 12g shells, because I need them this weekend.


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Re: Buying Bismuth shot and shotshells in Aust [Re: NitroX]
      #30646 - 06/05/05 08:09 PM

John, you've done as well as can be. For the Eley Grand Prix HV shells, $55 is the best I've been able to do here. $65 top price.

Don't believe anyone imports bismuth shot for sale; it can be brought in privately, but is still very expensive, and you need an import permit [as a cartridge component]. Loading data is a bit hard to find too.

Only other option is to make the stuff, as Marrakai does......

Haven't been able to check when the Oz patent on bismuth shot runs out, but the US one should expire mid next year [unless it gets extended].

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Re: Buying Bismuth shot and shotshells in Aust [Re: NitroX]
      #30656 - 06/05/05 11:01 PM

Please forgive the curt reply, couldn't resist!

As gadge says, that's why we make our own.
For those that missed it, the 'Guns'n'Game' article is still up:

Make Your Own Non-Toxic Shot.

One important improvement: Dave L now uses 25% ethylene glycol as the cooling solution. Works better, no messy diesel to wash off, non-flammable, re-usable, and no tricky overflow pipe required. Beauty!!

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Re: Buying Bismuth shot and shotshells in Aust [Re: Marrakai]
      #30762 - 09/05/05 01:51 AM

The shells cost $40 per 25 packet.

I also have a bag of no.4 shot from last year which I still haven't loaded . I've got lazy and haven't used my press in years as 500 round boxes of 12 gauge aren't too badly priced. But NOT bismuth.

I thought reloading of bismuth is basically the same as leadshot ???? Please correct me if that is wrong ??? ******



For the record did OK with the bismuth shells. Didn't have to shoot too many extra rounds per duck. Except two ducks which dropped to two shell and then took another six to finish off.



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Re: Buying Bismuth shot and shotshells in Aust [Re: NitroX]
      #30836 - 10/05/05 08:54 PM

As I said, you're getting them fairly cheap. As such things go.

Did a bit of research on the patents, and both US Patent 4949644 and Oz AU199058368A1 were issued in 1990. So with the 20 year patent term now in force, they have another five years to run. Bugger! Don't look for the commercial stuff to get any cheaper before 2010; they'll be getting the most out of their last years of exclusivity [The Bismuth Cartridge Co. is very aggressive in issuing 'cease and desist' letters in the US - even to people discussing making shot for their own use. It's been mentioned on the Double Gun BBS].

Bismuth shot is significantly harder than lead, and load data I've seen tends to use very slow [in shotgun terms] powders. Hodgdon only uses 'Longshot' in their bismuth loads, and that's not ADI made, so not much use to us. Can't get a burning rate comparo for Longshot ATM, as Steve's Pages seem to be down. It's a slow one though.

But see here for a couple of example loads - SR4756 is similar to AP-100 in burn rate.

There seem to be only two mobs that publish load data for bismuth - Ballistic Products and Precision Reloading. They also both sell the shot - USD 84.95/ 7lb.

ADI might be able to supply data if you contact them direct . Nothing in their latest guide.

Interestingly enough, it seems that the Kiwis can get bismuth shot fairly readily - NZ Forum page

Some have been loading bismuth 'volume for volume', using lead powder charge data. This results in a slightly reduced shot charge [lower bulk density for bismuth]. Definitely not good practice though, considering the difference seemingly minor component substitutions often make to shotgun pressures. Them manuals ain't all that expensive!

One thing about bismuth, it does perform a lot better on game than steel.

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Re: Buying Bismuth shot and shotshells in Aust [Re: Gadge]
      #30857 - 11/05/05 12:34 AM

The shotgun powder I have on hand from a long time ago is Du Pont 800X.



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Re: Buying Bismuth shot and shotshells in Aust [Re: NitroX]
      #30909 - 11/05/05 11:23 PM

John:
Grab one of Cyril Waterworth's reloading manuals and you're away!




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